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Posted on 11/18/14 at 2:58 pm to dante
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How many unemployed people will die each year from not having a job if the pipeline is not built?
Are they going to pick up homeless people from under overpasses to work on monitoring the pipeline? All 35 jobs that it creates?
Posted on 11/18/14 at 3:04 pm to BBONDS25
28 people you heartless bastard. Not one more! No more oil on trains!
Appeals to emotion to real life issues are always smart solutions. 28 people will live!
Appeals to emotion to real life issues are always smart solutions. 28 people will live!
Posted on 11/18/14 at 3:06 pm to UPT
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28 people you heartless bastard. Not one more! No more oil on trains!
Appeals to emotion to real life issues are always smart solutions. 28 people will live
Your comparison does not include any government regulation...which is kind of the crux of the issue you are trying to compare the OP to. A lot of uneducated simpletons don't really understand the arguments, so it doesn't surprise me.
I also think only a simpleton would think the OP was an actual attempt at an emotional argument in favor of the pipeline. It is clearly to point out the liberal hypocrisy.
Posted on 11/18/14 at 3:08 pm to mmcgrath
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The BNSF Railway is the second-largest freight railroad network in North America
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On November 3, 2009, Warren Buffett's Berkshire Hathaway announced it would acquire the remaining 77.4 percent of BNSF it did not already own for $100 per share in cash and stock - a deal valued at $44 billion.
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In addition to political contributions over the years, Buffett endorsed and made campaign contributions to Barack Obama's presidential campaign. On July 2, 2008, Buffett attended a $28,500 per plate fundraiser for Obama's campaign in Chicago
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2010 Presidential Medal of Freedom Recipient - Warren Buffett
Nothing to see here
Posted on 11/18/14 at 3:13 pm to BBONDS25
I'm for the pipeline. There's a thousand good reason to build the pipeline.
Arguing that it will save 28 lives a year is fricking weak.
Arguing that it will save 28 lives a year is fricking weak.
Posted on 11/18/14 at 3:13 pm to mmcgrath
quote:I was thinking more along the lines of the 40,000 direct or indirect jobs created the construction of the pipeline.
Are they going to pick up homeless people from under overpasses to work on monitoring the pipeline? All 35 jobs that it creates?
FYI.....my first post was not serious.
Posted on 11/18/14 at 3:35 pm to mmcgrath
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Two Problems:
1) When you take out non-rail related incidents the deaths drop to 13.
2) The death rate includes trespasser deaths. If this includes suicides, then obviously the rate wouldn't increase due to increased rail traffic.
I do appreciate your constant fact checking- no sarcasm.
That said, the above quoted claim regarding #2 is only true only if all rail-traffic-caused deaths are trespassers, and all trespasser deaths are suicides. The basis of the comparison that they use is simply the historical number of deaths per tonnage-mile. And it is implausible that non-suicide collisions will do anything other than increase with an increase in rail traffic, although it is true that a rail traffic increase isn't likely to affect the number of suicides.
Regarding #1, removing all non-rail-related incidents is no good, because it is also implausible that either "rail equipment incidents" or "highway-rail grade crossing incidents" will do anything other than increase with increased rail traffic, because of wear and tear.
The point of this part of the impact study was a comparison of fatalities that will happen because of the rail traffic increase, and that is what the estimate of 28 is supposed to reflect.
Fun fact I came across while looking up that errata page, according to the DOT:
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A motorist is almost 20 times more likely to die in a crash involving a train than in a collision involving another motor vehicle.
Who knew ?
Posted on 11/18/14 at 3:45 pm to 90proofprofessional
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A motorist is almost 20 times more likely to die in a crash involving a train
I was involved in no less than about three dozen crossing accidents during my time on the railroad. Three people died in three of those accidents. About one fatality for every 12 incidents.
Never looked at it that way. A pretty high percentage I'd guess.
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