re: Fact Checkers accidentally confirm that Cali bill SB-145 decriminalizes some pedophilia

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It is all one category

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No, it is not, and that is an incredibly dangerous mindset, which is why every psychologist, sociologist, and law ever written distinguishes the two.

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you are trying to say a 5-year old cannot consent but a 14 year old can…

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A 14 year old can not legally consent, but they absolutely do have the ability to decide they want to have sex because they have teenage hormones. A 5 year old can not. That is forcible rape & molestation 100% of the time, is characterized by an adult having unnatural sexual perversions towards a child who is not sexually mature, and is not in any way similar.

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Pedophilia deals with small children

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Views on #MeToo? Pedophilia is largely about small children because they lack power and agency.

What other situations where the victim lacks power and agency do you think are OK? A 22 year old Oxford grad that feels uncomfortable at the pub is clearly equal to an 11 year old being abused? Oxford grad also has a lack of power or agency, but THEY'RE NOT A CHILD. They can open credit cards, bank accounts, buy cars, enter into contracts, etc.

There is a reason you can't enlist until 18 without parental permission. Tell us what you're for, in terms of underage sex. Five years of separation? What do you think is right? If you don't have a proposal, you're just trolling to keep me busy at night.

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A 14 year old can not legally consent, but they absolutely do have the ability to decide they want to have sex because they have teenage hormones.

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Yikes. I hate to tell you this but it is rape 100% of the time when you sleep with someone who cannot legally consent, regardless of what hormones they have.

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That being said, I question the legislators intention for even approaching the change in law to begin with.

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I think it's just Equal Protection stuff for LGBTQ people. Normalizing the law.

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What do you think is right? If you don't have a proposal, you're just trolling to keep me busy at night.

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I’m not sure I have a black and white answer for you. I don’t think every scenario is the same once you’re dealing with teenagers. There are a lot of questions that need to be asked. For example, a troubled 15 year old who gets a fake ID and enters a bar looking to hookup with a college student should not be treated the same as a 15 year old who was groomed by her pastor. There are varying levels of contribution to the crime being committed from both individuals involved.

Conversely, I think sex with prepubescent children is as black and white as it gets, as there is no scenario, no situation, no backstory, etc. that would reduce the depravity of such a vile set of actions. It is entirely one sided 100% of the time, and requires multiple layers of an individual deciding to commit that crime.

The two are not the same, and they should not be treated the same.

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I think it's just Equal Protection stuff for LGBTQ people. Normalizing the law.

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Yeah that’s what they say.

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21 year old sleeping with a 15 year old.

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This is precisely why Alabama doesn't play games against Newman.

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So to clarify, if the other person is 14 they both rape themselves?

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It is still statutory rape. Minors cannot consent. Period. Here’s a nice summary for you.

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Like if 2 drunk adults have sex?

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Yup.

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troubled 15 year old who gets a fake ID

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I see part of your point, but then it is on the legislature to change the law. That is their only job (create, modify, delete law). Current structure is that men will get screwed if they didn't use bar level standards to verify IDs, which is not OK.

While I student taught as Istrouma, I had a 12 year old proposition me. IN CLASS, in front of the primary teacher, and in front of the class End student teaching (late 20s at the time). I didn't report it, it just felt dirty.

Part of the problem is that when there isn't a definitive line, there will always be justification from the instigator, "She was almost 15," etc. That doesn't do anyone any good. You either can, or cannot send people to jail for potentially decades, on squishy standards.

It *has* to be black and white when you're going to put people in prison.

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Actually reread his post about an adult having consensual sex with a teenager. A 24 year old cannot have consensual sex with a 14 year old. So yes words do matter.

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I can re-write that to read “non-forcible” or “unforced” if we’re getting hung up on that. Words do mean things.

Here’s the post. And I’ll reiterate the same thing. A teenager having unforced sex with an an adult is not anywhere remotely close to same level of moral depravity as having forcible sex with a prepubescent child.

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If you believe a grown man putting his penis inside of a prepubescent child is in the same universe of moral depravity as a teenager having consensual sex with an adult, then we don’t have anything else to discuss here.

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