re: Fact Checkers accidentally confirm that Cali bill SB-145 decriminalizes some pedophilia

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No pushing morals on people?

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Which of course is itself a normative statement based on some form of truth claim, which amounts to pushing morals on people.

While there are levels of depravity, this

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a teenager having consensual sex with an adult

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isn’t a true statement concerning teenagers 16 and under.

Just saying.

So you would be ok with a 24 year old guy having sex with your 14 year old daughter?

Age of consent being 16 in a bunch of states is crazy enough as-is.

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So you would be ok with a 24 year old guy having sex with your 14 year old daughter?

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What if it was a 24 year old hot teacher and her 14 year old super jock student? Typically this board, along with the OT board, would vote, "not guilty".

I'm not wrong.

It's a double standard, at least in the way we seem to collectively think, if not in action.

Does somebody have an eye on this Tuscaloosa guy. Yikes.

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The guy arguing that sex with small children is worse than what’s written in the OP and should be treated as such? Yeah, better watch that guy.

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Seems odd to pick this hill to die on. Both situations are morally reprehensible. A 24 year old manipulating a 14 year old who happened to be developed physically is very predatory.

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A 24-year old can frick a 14-year old in the arse


That’s not pedophilia.

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Call it what you want but where I come from, they'll find you laying dead on a logging road (if they find you at all). In the La swamps I spect they call it trying steal more chain than you can swim with.

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I'm talking about the "you can't legislate morality" crowd, and there's a high concentration of them in the libertarian circles.

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The one decent thing about weed "acceptance" is a bunch of libertarians lost their purpose for existing as a third party.

A lot of libertarians forget that having laws written down (a la Hammurabi, etc.) was that it at least gave the populace some certainty on what they would be executed for, rather than flogged, etc. Most libertarians seem particularly unwise on the Lenin/Stalin implementation of "show me the man I'll show you the crime." That's what happens when laws are not clear, concise, and purposeful.
I'd appreciate those three things more than a libertarian/anarcho society, because someone that doesn't like me is always going to find a way to execute "their" justice on me for some perceived slight.

Who taught us all (at least here, using computers n stuff) the golden rule? Treat others how you want to be treated? Parents, grandparents, religion, or the law by proxy. Remove all of those, and you have New Orleans. That's much of NYC, ORD, MSY, SFO, LAX, etc., right now. There is no moral code, and the law gave up.

Think of parts of Sharia law. Much of the reason there are honor killings (particularly with regards to women) is to stop Hatfield/McCoy fights which go on for decades and kill tens/hundreds. Do I agree with it? F no. But I understand how they think they're trying to prevent broader bloodshed. Does that matter in Anbar? Yes. Does it matter in Manchester or in Brooklyn? F no. Afghans and Pakistanis protected Bin Laden for over a decade because of a code of honor, particularly with the Pashtu. However, it's the same code that got Marcus Luttrell home.

If there's a law that says I can't dump my chamber pot into my neighbor's well, I'm cool with that. I don't want laws telling me which light bulbs I am allowed to buy, either, but I'm a cheap mofo and will buy LEDs anyway.

If there aren't some laws, like I posted in a thread about pedophilia, then morality gets enforced with .45ACP and .308. Sometimes that's OK, but for most of the population it is not. Johannesburg style civilization is not something I think anyone here wants, but that's exactly what that results in.

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Seems odd to pick this hill to die on. Both situations are morally reprehensible. A 24 year old manipulating a 14 year old who happened to be developed physically is very predatory.

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If you guys don’t agree that having sex with children who haven’t hit puberty yet is far more reprehensible than having sex with a teenager, we don’t have anything left to discuss.

Pedophilia is something so reprehensible, so vile, so evil, so disgusting that society needs to differentiate it as such. Thankfully the laws, both nationally and statewide, do just that. For now. That needs to be protected. When you start lumping it together with stuff that doesn’t match the definition, it weakens the entire thing.

No idea how you guys don’t see that clearly. Turning “sex with a 14 year old” into “pedophilia” is exactly what groomers and actual pedophiles want to happen.