re: F the Strait of Hormuz

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Everything becomes much more expensive without free movement in the Strait.

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When it comes to having inflation or fighting evil, I'm going to fight evil. Prepare temporarily to pay more for your shite. Please have your pussy card stamped on the way out.

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Well half of the regime leaders are currently dead.

Lots of issues here. Killing members doesn’t mean regime change. Regime change doesn’t guarantee a “better” regime. We don’t have a headcount on IRGC.

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the other half is changing their tune pretty quick.

So you didn’t trust the Iranians enough to see JCPOA through, but you’re willing to trust the same regime now that they hate us 10x more than 10 years ago?

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Sounds like he's getting what he wants with or without out the "regime change"

Define “what he wants” because this is starting to look more and more like “mowing the lawn”.

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1. Well, if half of the decision makers do not exist, that certainly has the makings of something changing.

2. They are severely weakened now. Doesn't matter how much they hate us. For example, I bet the last of Al-Qaeda reallllllly hates us, too bad they can't do shite about it.

3. Have you not learned how Trump works yet? He demands way more than he knows he can get, settles in the middle, and gets way more than he had to begin with. Works pretty well.

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They don't want to believe that he's been so successful with this strategy. They'd rather believe that he's just a bad, stupid man.

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How would that apply to this current situation?

The stated goals would be the bare minimum of making this ordeal remotely close to worth it. What’s the middle ground we’re negotiating for here?

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How would that apply to this current situation?

The stated goals would be the bare minimum of making this ordeal remotely close to worth it. What’s the middle ground we’re negotiating for here?

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USA got to pummel an adversary that has been needing this arse-kicking for their years of supporting anti-US terrorists. We got to set them back decades while further reminding the world who daddy is.

Any president with half a set of balls should have done this long ago as opposed to bribing them with cash...that they used to build weapons to kill us with.

Goal achieved

Honestly, I think he's achieved pretty much all of his immediate goals. I don't have intel as to remaining nuclear capability, so I'll defer to the people we pay to handle that and trust that they will react if there is an imminent threat. We've destroyed their missile capability as far as I can tell. He's killing their leaders to change regional behavior -- but they're obviously not rolling over yet as evidenced by the Strait of Hormuz being closed. So we'll see if Trump can bring them to heel on any other conditions and, if not, then we can say he lost some face -- but still stopped a religiously fanatic "death to America" regime from having a nuclear weapon any time soon.

While I won't downplay the indirect importance of the Strait of Hormuz to the USA and markets, the rest of the entire world also has a dog in that fight (and many large players are directly impacted moreso than we are). So, I'm good with walking away -- especially given how the Europeans were dicks about it. Sure, China and Asia are more directly impacted, but the Europeans are absolutely impacted and all are more directly impacted than us. There is going to be a lot of inflation for several months even if they snapped their fingers and got everything moving at 110% capacity right this second. But if we, the irritant, step out then they will probably settle down and get things moving again.

Since I'm not in the room with Trump, I'm guessing that his threatening to take out their energy infrastructure is a bluff (or at least it's possible that it's a bluff) to get them to concede on Hormuz. He could still do it if the thought he would get what he wanted, but he's trying to get everything he can before going that route. So, I guess you could say this is possibly him using his strategy of bluster for gain.

I do believe that Trump understands the seriousness of boots on the ground and will avoid that if possible. So, moving troops into the area is either another large bluff to get what he wants, but again he reserves the right to go that route. He better have a damn good reason for doing it because many of us have seen this enough to know NOTHING GOOD WILL COME OF IT in the long run. Stop wasting our money and killing our sons and daughters.

See my reply to Indefatigable. Also, you're replying to me and quoting someone else.

Not a drop of our oil comes through that strait

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Not a drop of our oil comes through that strait

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The price of every drop of our oil is in large part determined by the amount of oil that flows through that strait.

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Not when we start our own drilling

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Are you trolling, or are you unaware that we already drill?

shite, we were the first to drill

No amount of drilling will shift oil out of the global marketplace.