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Explain how we are in a power position if you don't have alternatives...

Posted on 4/5/25 at 8:28 am
Posted by bamabonners
Alabama
Member since Nov 2015
3588 posts
Posted on 4/5/25 at 8:28 am
Tariffs are great tool, unless you don't have an alternative being produced in America. We are such a large consumer because we don't produce in America like we used to... Thanks to years of Nafta, high corporate taxes, and more regulations.

Buyers may not have an alternative until someone decides to begin producing a product in America.

In this instance, how are we in power position?
This post was edited on 4/5/25 at 9:46 am
Posted by TrueTiger
Chicken's most valuable
Member since Sep 2004
76309 posts
Posted on 4/5/25 at 8:30 am to
Because we have the power to reverse course on this losing path.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
281843 posts
Posted on 4/5/25 at 8:30 am to
quote:


In this instance, how are we in power position?


Because we are wealthy, can afford to buy foreign products, add value and create wealth.

We are innovators, not just consumers. Cheaper imports help create wealth and disposable income here
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
62017 posts
Posted on 4/5/25 at 8:33 am to
This guy had an interesting piece in that he agrees with Trump's ideas in theory, but says we are way too far gone into a consumer economy to pull off what he is attempting.
LINK
This post was edited on 4/5/25 at 8:34 am
Posted by Arkaea79
Member since Sep 2022
366 posts
Posted on 4/5/25 at 8:34 am to
Because the USD controls GDP
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
62017 posts
Posted on 4/5/25 at 8:35 am to
I've seen some chatter here and elsewhere that Trump's moves risk dollar hegemony. Whether that's true or not is way over my head, but I don't think we want to see that result.
Posted by RockyMtnTigerWDE
War Damn Eagle Dad!
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Posted on 4/5/25 at 8:35 am to
Some of you people are absolutely brain dead, trolling, or window lickers.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
281843 posts
Posted on 4/5/25 at 8:37 am to
quote:

I've seen some chatter here and elsewhere that Trump's moves risk dollar hegemony. Whether that's true or not is way over my head, but I don't think we want to see that result.


He;s honestly trying to devalue the dollar
Posted by bamabonners
Alabama
Member since Nov 2015
3588 posts
Posted on 4/5/25 at 8:38 am to
quote:

This guy had an interesting piece in that he agrees with Trump's ideas in theory, but says we are way too far gone into a consumer economy to pull off what he is attempting.
LINK


I agree with parts of the article.. He obviously hates Trump.

"Trump is not playing the hand he thinks he is playing."

That's what I'm saying... Trump all in when he's holding a pair of duecea. Itv will take a long time before we can produce enough to level the playing field. Lots of regulations will need to change, as well.


This post was edited on 4/5/25 at 8:40 am
Posted by cajuntiger1010
Member since Jan 2015
11294 posts
Posted on 4/5/25 at 8:39 am to
Our consumer base.

Imagine your company losing their biggest, wealthiest customer overnight
Posted by Bayoutigre
29.9N 92.1W
Member since Feb 2007
5868 posts
Posted on 4/5/25 at 8:40 am to
The US is the largest consumer market in the world,Trump playing his chess move for other countries to drop their tariffs
Posted by LSUnation78
Northshore
Member since Aug 2012
13358 posts
Posted on 4/5/25 at 8:40 am to
You’re a complete retard.

The fact you typed all that out and dont realize the answer to your own question is genuinely pathetic.
Posted by Stinger_1066
On a golf course
Member since Jul 2021
2899 posts
Posted on 4/5/25 at 8:41 am to
quote:


Tariffs are great tool, unless you don't have an alternative being produced in America. We are such a large consumer because we don't produce in America like we used to... Thanks to years of Nafta, high corporate taxes, and more regulations.

Buyers may not have an alternative until someone decides to begin producing a product in America.

In this instance, how are we in power position?


Maybe the consumer should just not buy something if it is not a necessity, and the price is too high. What a concept, huh?

Rampant consumerism / easy credit is partially responsible for the mess we are in.

Reign in your spending on things you don't need.

Another way to do it is find other sources.

Buy Brazilian coffee instead of Colombian. It costs less.

Posted by bamabonners
Alabama
Member since Nov 2015
3588 posts
Posted on 4/5/25 at 8:41 am to
quote:


Our consumer base.

Imagine your company losing their biggest, wealthiest customer overnight


But where they going to go is we don't product it here in America? You'll have to keep paying the tariff. That's my point... And it's very real for a very large amount of products we consume.
Posted by CamdenTiger
Member since Aug 2009
64517 posts
Posted on 4/5/25 at 8:42 am to
Trump isn’t trying to kick the can, which everyone else has done; pray for him.
Posted by Stinger_1066
On a golf course
Member since Jul 2021
2899 posts
Posted on 4/5/25 at 8:45 am to
quote:

But where they going to go is we don't product it here in America? You'll have to keep paying the tariff. That's my point... And it's very real for a very large amount of products we consume.


Be specific. Exactly what products are you worried about not being able to afford?
Posted by bamabonners
Alabama
Member since Nov 2015
3588 posts
Posted on 4/5/25 at 8:52 am to
quote:

Be specific. Exactly what products are you worried about not being able to afford?


Just one simple example, but this is happening all over our country in almost every industry from lawn mowers to electronics.

PPG, the largest supplier of windows to the aerospace industry... Just announced to their customers that they are going up on price because the materials they use to make the windows are only available from overseas. The tariffs going to cost them millions of dollars each year. They don't currently have an alternative.

So what's a company like Boeing, who replies on PPG, going to do?

This post was edited on 4/5/25 at 8:55 am
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
8222 posts
Posted on 4/5/25 at 8:55 am to
quote:

We are such a large consumer because we don't produce in America like we used to


We're still #2 in the world in terms of manufacturing. Somehow this gets lost on people.

And no, we're such a large consumer because we have a large population with the most disposable income in the world. Whether we manufacture more or less doesn't change that.

quote:

Buyers may not have an alternative until someone decides to begin producing a product in America.


Again, #2 in the world.
Posted by bamabonners
Alabama
Member since Nov 2015
3588 posts
Posted on 4/5/25 at 8:57 am to
quote:


Again, #2 in the world.


We are #2... But number 1 produces twice what we do. That's a pretty large gap. Plus, they have more workforce and cheaper.
This post was edited on 4/5/25 at 8:59 am
Posted by concrete_tiger
Member since May 2020
7120 posts
Posted on 4/5/25 at 9:02 am to
Because if people buy less, they can’t afford to exist. Who are they going to sell product to make up the difference?

We (my company) are getting concessions on freight and production, the world economy depends on US shoppers.

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