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Posted on 5/17/18 at 9:05 am to imjustafatkid
Common core is being used to level the playing field for kids that have parents that would never help them learn. What its doing is causing parents that want to help their kids fail at their duty because they do not understand why math is being taught this way.
I have a degree in Computer Science and I'm worried I will not be able to help my now 6 yo son when he begins algebra.
I have a degree in Computer Science and I'm worried I will not be able to help my now 6 yo son when he begins algebra.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 9:10 am to Catman88
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Common core is being used to level the playing field for kids that have parents that would never help them learn
wut
Posted on 5/17/18 at 9:13 am to Centinel
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I'll be honest here and say I don't get this. I was raised on the traditional method, and this was never an issue.
yeah me too
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Hell the only rough spot I had was the whole "proof" thing when I took Geometry my freshman year of HS.
pussy
that was the most fun part of math ever
Posted on 5/17/18 at 9:15 am to Tigerdev
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Its just that you can get by on strict rote memorization and practice all the way through calculus 1.
ehh
i dunno proofs in geometry and a good algebra2/pre-calc class should give these people fits
usually people get behind on concepts and cover with memorization, but it should catch up to them with analytical frameworks like proofs or, often, word problems. issues with word problems was typically a relatively easy sign of a person who was faking
Posted on 5/17/18 at 9:17 am to meansonny
My son can write a sentence but has zero concept of time. He knows the sounds of the letters and can read fairly well. But sometimes forgets letters of the alphabet.
They memorize the days of the week but if you asked him to apply it he struggles because those types of things are glossed over in favor of teaching things that will one day be on a standardized test.
He is finishing up kindergarten with 98% scores in math and English. I spend 1.5 hours with him every night going over his homework. Yet if I ask what he ate for lunch he can't remember.
They memorize the days of the week but if you asked him to apply it he struggles because those types of things are glossed over in favor of teaching things that will one day be on a standardized test.
He is finishing up kindergarten with 98% scores in math and English. I spend 1.5 hours with him every night going over his homework. Yet if I ask what he ate for lunch he can't remember.
This post was edited on 5/17/18 at 12:40 pm
Posted on 5/17/18 at 9:19 am to meansonny
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The beauty is that Common Core is correct. Vocabulary is learned without rote memorization through consistent usage. And the kids have a huge head start on presenting ideas and thoughts to others with the new approach.
meh
if kids aren't writing and expressing ideas on their own, then it's their loss. i don't know why we're trying to engineer kids into being top-tier when only a few lucky souls have the intellectual capacity to keep that up
and on another level, you're setting up the lower-level kids to be without even more in the end, b/c they start at an advanced level and then if they don't advance, they're already screwed before they can even learn the basics. think about how terrible this will be long term for the lower level students. we are dooming them
Posted on 5/17/18 at 9:22 am to Breesus
What don't you get?
If kid A has lazy parents or parents that dont give a shite then nobody is helping him at home with his school work at home.
If kid B has good parents and receives help at home with his school work and has parents active in their education.
Which kid will succeed in school the majority of the time?
Along comes common core and now kid B may still have active but confused and frustrated parents helping him instead.
You dont think the test scores of kid B will become closer to that of kid A? Nothing really changes as far as parental aid for kid A either way.
If kid A has lazy parents or parents that dont give a shite then nobody is helping him at home with his school work at home.
If kid B has good parents and receives help at home with his school work and has parents active in their education.
Which kid will succeed in school the majority of the time?
Along comes common core and now kid B may still have active but confused and frustrated parents helping him instead.
You dont think the test scores of kid B will become closer to that of kid A? Nothing really changes as far as parental aid for kid A either way.
This post was edited on 5/17/18 at 9:23 am
Posted on 5/17/18 at 9:33 am to Breesus
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The ego and audacity it takes to think you can change basic arithmetic is mind blowing to me.
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I believe you missed the point of my post.
No. We just disagree on the definition of basic arithmatic.
Instead of arguing about something that we won't agree on, I decided to share what elementary schools are doing in my area at grades k and 1 (in direct response to your jab about writing essays before learning sentences. Kids are writing sentences before learning spelling. And it is working).
Posted on 5/17/18 at 9:41 am to SlowFlowPro
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meh
if kids aren't writing and expressing ideas on their own, then it's their loss. i don't know why we're trying to engineer kids into being top-tier when only a few lucky souls have the intellectual capacity to keep that up
and on another level, you're setting up the lower-level kids to be without even more in the end, b/c they start at an advanced level and then if they don't advance, they're already screwed before they can even learn the basics. think about how terrible this will be long term for the lower level students. we are dooming them
Agree to disagree.
Kids are doomed when they can't read in the 3rd grade.
Having kids write in k and 1 is keeping kids engaged better than flash cards and rote memory homework. We will see if more kids are reading by 3rd grade and if it has a positive effect on high school graduation.
Kids are doomed when they fail 9th grade math for the third time. We will see if slowly introducing algebra in the 3rd grade and slowly introducing an understanding of numbers in grades k-5 helps kids pass 9th grade math the first time.
The new system isn't put together by idiots. It focuses on actual learning (not memorization). And it focuses on fixing the problems easily addressed by previous methods.
That said... change is extremely difficult. It is hard on the principals, grade coordinators, and teachers. My fear is that we will be in a perpetual cycle of change (the last 10 years seems that way) and never master the art of education.
Even with success in my own school district (3rd highest graduation in the state last year. Expected similar results this year), change in technology is challenging the experienced teachers.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 9:47 am to Centinel
People don’t realize the bigger issue in all of this. Most over societies don’t baby their students. In fact, they expect more and don’t compartmentalism things to hell. Other cultures don’t break course in math out by giving an entire year devoted to algebra, geometry, trig, etc. They are taught simultaneously and thus make more sense because you see the natural connections in real time as you learn them.
The US system tries to simplify things and compartmentalize them to hell. Same thing at lower levels. This is the issue and why many of these new methods don’t work.
The US system tries to simplify things and compartmentalize them to hell. Same thing at lower levels. This is the issue and why many of these new methods don’t work.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 9:51 am to Catman88
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What don't you get?
If kid A has lazy parents or parents that dont give a shite then nobody is helping him at home with his school work at home.
If kid B has good parents and receives help at home with his school work and has parents active in their education.
Which kid will succeed in school the majority of the time?
The kid with good parents will succeed. The kid with shitty parents can grow up to raise kids better than his parents raised him. I dont believe it is the government's job to parent children.
There will always be winners and losers in this world. Always. There will be smart people and dumb people. There will be artists and scientists. Trying to force everyone into some sort of averageness is no way to better society.
This post was edited on 5/17/18 at 9:55 am
Posted on 5/17/18 at 10:08 am to Breesus
I think you missed the point. The government is impeding the ability to parent is what I'm stating. I am certainly not advocating the government parent.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 12:52 pm to meansonny
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The new system isn't put together by idiots.
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Agree to disagree.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 1:22 pm to imjustafatkid
The old system had 3rd graders who couldn't read (and the data confirmed that those were the kids who would fall behind and not graduate).
The old system had students failing 9th grade math for the second and third time and they were dropping out as they saw no hope of graduating with their class.
I can agree to disagree with you. After seeing the data trends and the plans made to stop the reasons why kids don't graduate... I feel comfortable in these attempts to fix a broken system.
The old system worked for me. But the planning, implementation, and early success in my very poor area (we are designated a title 1 county) has me optimistic about my school district in the future.
The old system had students failing 9th grade math for the second and third time and they were dropping out as they saw no hope of graduating with their class.
I can agree to disagree with you. After seeing the data trends and the plans made to stop the reasons why kids don't graduate... I feel comfortable in these attempts to fix a broken system.
The old system worked for me. But the planning, implementation, and early success in my very poor area (we are designated a title 1 county) has me optimistic about my school district in the future.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 1:24 pm to meansonny
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I can agree to disagree with you. After seeing the data trends and the plans made to stop the reasons why kids don't graduate... I feel comfortable in these attempts to fix a broken system.
does Singapore, Japan, or Taiwan, etc use methods more similar to Common Core or the "old system"?
This post was edited on 5/17/18 at 1:32 pm
Posted on 5/17/18 at 1:54 pm to Tigerdev
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It's kind of like trying to switch to the metric system. It doesn't matter what's "better". The transition is going to be painful because suddenly parents can't help kids with their homework and the teachers don't know it as well either. A noble attempt to replace math by memorization with an understanding of what numbers are and mean...but it's a bridge too far.
I agree with all of this except the last part. I was an excellent math student. I understood math, and I couldn't tutor a soul because kids my age and younger simply wanted the answer and didn't care about the "why."
I can't speak for common core across the country, but I can tell you that the way I've seen common core teach kids in elementary is fantastic. Parents don't get it, boo hoo. You're building a foundation for everyone that used to be limited to those students who developed it on their own.
Sticking with the status quo because parents/teachers don't know anything else is a ridiculous way to succeed.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 2:22 pm to slackster
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Parents don't get it, boo hoo.
I'm a CPA. I understand what they're trying to do. They're failing.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 2:34 pm to imjustafatkid
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I'm a CPA. I understand what they're trying to do. They're failing.
Who has given it a fair shake? Parents certainly haven't. Most teachers haven't.
Hell, it's only been implemented for a few years in most states.
Texas never touched common core. Their math proficiency for 8th grade students fell from 40% in 2011 to 33% in 2017.
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