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re: ESPN laying off over 100 on air employees
Posted on 4/26/17 at 1:59 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 4/26/17 at 1:59 pm to SlowFlowPro
Possibly. I think the biggest issue is going to be how to sell people on ads in their streams.
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Posted on 4/26/17 at 2:04 pm to CorporateTiger
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Not to get too off topic, but Simmons didn't lose his show because of the politics. He lost his show because it wasn't good in any aspect.
Premium Cable can't really do sports talk- look at all the failed attempts.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 2:04 pm to lsuboi91
Should've let Stephen A Smith go and used his salary to keep the actual reporters
Posted on 4/26/17 at 2:10 pm to SlowFlowPro
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once services like Watch ESPN crack down on multiple IP use, cord cutting takes a major hit
the problem is that its pretty common to use your stream when not at your house, so you log multiple IPs.
Now watching multiple streams at one time would be trivial to clamp down on.
I think the real threat is the quality of hijacked streams, which are getting much better.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 2:12 pm to SlowFlowPro
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if ESPN crumbles, does the NBA? can the NBA contract when decreased revenue hits after this deal ends?
The NBA has kind of a sweet spot right now with a ton of highly marketable Hall of Fame level players in their prime.
The NFL is what I think takes some hits- while its nowhere near as personality driven as the NBA, its Magic-Bird-Jordan era is aging out and who exactly replaces the Mannings or Brady? The only real options right now are Wilson, Ryan and Cam with Cam being the only one of those three that seems to have a significant amount of off field charisma (check the endorsements).
This post was edited on 4/26/17 at 2:13 pm
Posted on 4/26/17 at 2:13 pm to montanagator
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The NFL is what I think takes some hits- while its nowhere near as personality driven as the NBA, its Magic-Bird-Jordan era is aging out and who exactly replaces the Mannings or Brady? The only real options right now are Wilson, Ryan and Cam and Cam is the only one of those three that seems to have a significant amount of off field charisma (check the endorsements).
plus the whole concussion thing is turning off parents, especially moms. the NFL has been trying to get women into the NFL, and the concussion thing hurts that growth.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 2:14 pm to texashorn
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Remember, they are the first generation in American history to digress economically from their parents.
Wealth distribution, student loan debt and Boomers being a huge generation which is also retiring later (thus there not being the kind of upward mobility the Boomers themselves had at our ages-- you can't pass middle management if a bunch of suits in their 60s won't retire).
Posted on 4/26/17 at 2:16 pm to lsuboi91
Good, liberals need to be punished
Posted on 4/26/17 at 2:18 pm to CorporateTiger
I'm a cord cutter who still has ESPN via Sling, and I don't watch it. They need more local programming, that's the only thing that would get me watching again. Once you break the habit, it's easy to quit watching. Especially when none of the content is relevant to the teams you cheer for.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 2:20 pm to Hawkeye95
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plus the whole concussion thing is turning off parents, especially moms. the NFL has been trying to get women into the NFL, and the concussion thing hurts that growth.
Yeah I played football growing up from age 5 on, tackle from around 10. I probably wouldn't let a son play full on tackle until they hit High School.
Jesus, just thinking back to one of the ways I was taught to tackle- put your facemask in the other guys chest plate and that wasn't rare- its a freaking recipe for brain damage. Go low and wrap was the other way and that's appropriate but doesn't exactly send a message to a TE over the middle.
The Domestic violence thing might really hurt efforts to appeal to female fans as well. That's just been horribly mishandled and now Mixon might go first round.
This post was edited on 4/26/17 at 2:23 pm
Posted on 4/26/17 at 2:24 pm to montanagator
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Jesus, just thinking back to one of the ways I was taught to tackle- put your facemask in the other guys chest plate and that wasn't rare- its a freaking recipe for brain damage. Go low and wrap was the other way and that's appropriate but doesn't exactly send a message to a TE over the middle.
eh
from tackling isn't the issue really. it's lowering the head and using the helmet as a weapon (which also exponentially increase the chances of spinal injury) + lowering your shoulder into another player's head (where their head receives the punishment)
Posted on 4/26/17 at 2:29 pm to montanagator
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Yeah I played football growing up from age 5 on, tackle from around 10. I probably wouldn't let a son play full on tackle until they hit High School.
Yeah, I am actually surprised my friends are letting their kids play football. I have two friends that just let their kids start doing it.
Neither mother likes the NFL.
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The Domestic violence thing might really hurt efforts to appeal to female fans as well. That's just been horribly mishandled and now Mixon might go first round.
yeah, they fricked that up.
but to get back to OP, its not these issues instead its that ESPN has a liberl commentary every now and then.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 2:30 pm to BigSquirrel
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I'm a cord cutter who still has ESPN via Sling, and I don't watch it. They need more local programming, that's the only thing that would get me watching again. Once you break the habit, it's easy to quit watching. Especially when none of the content is relevant to the teams you cheer for.
I cut the cord 8 years ago, ESPN was the biggest pain in the arse. Now, I just dont watch sports frequently. the odd LSU game, but that really is it.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 2:30 pm to montanagator
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Boomers being a huge generation which is also retiring later (thus there not being the kind of upward mobility the Boomers themselves had at our ages-- you can't pass middle management if a bunch of suits in their 60s won't retire).
Can't wait until you show up in a thread decrying the "fact" that Baby Boomers are retiring left and right and putting a strain on Social Security blah blah blah.
You can't have it both ways. Unless you are Toddy?
Posted on 4/26/17 at 2:34 pm to texashorn
That last sentence is just hanging out there for a reply. But I won't do it.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 2:37 pm to SirWinston
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The politics don't help - take Bill Simmons for example. He had a ton of fans at his peak most of them were white guys around 30-40 years of age. This group voted for Trump somewhere between 60 and 65% and yet he needled the frick out of them over the past two years bashing Trump on every podcast so that he could get chummier with Ben Affleck and Matt Damon and Jon Favreau and his new LA friends. As a (partial) result, he had unbelievably low ratings and lost his HBO show like 4 episodes into his run and his political friends betrayed him, taking the politics efforts he launched and funded at Ringer to do their own thing. You should never become overly partisan unless it's your schtick like Colbert
You described my situation to a T. I couldn't of said it better myself
Posted on 4/26/17 at 2:41 pm to Tchefuncte Tiger
Why is Tchefuncte Tiger laughing at a provable fact?
Is this one of those "My friends and I have all of that, you don't know what you're talking about" anecdotal "gotcha"?
Your circle of friends and acquaintances who are millennials might be able to afford all those things, but for every one of them, there's 10 more of the same age who are struggling mightily, living in cramped squalor and afoot.
Is this one of those "My friends and I have all of that, you don't know what you're talking about" anecdotal "gotcha"?
Your circle of friends and acquaintances who are millennials might be able to afford all those things, but for every one of them, there's 10 more of the same age who are struggling mightily, living in cramped squalor and afoot.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 2:45 pm to lsuboi91
From ESPN release
personality-driven SportsCenter?
Just give the f'ing highlights and scores
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The company is focusing on its personality-driven SportsCenter? shows, developing its app and social media presence, it said in a statement Wednesday.
personality-driven SportsCenter?
Just give the f'ing highlights and scores
Posted on 4/26/17 at 2:48 pm to DarthRebel
The problem is that the scores and highlights are so easily accessible on the internet that no one would watch for just that.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 2:50 pm to CorporateTiger
ESPN non live sporting events are terrible across the board. Never ending pop culture references and fabricated controversy. They're obviously trying to appeal to millennial and it's horrid.
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