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re: Elon Musk says WFH is morally wrong
Posted on 11/19/24 at 8:46 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 11/19/24 at 8:46 am to SlowFlowPro
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Because they're not going to get more compensation if they're salaried 99% of the time.
there are always excuses when you dont have answers.
Its cut and dried. Give people options. Why is that so hard for you?
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Posted on 11/19/24 at 8:49 am to RogerTheShrubber
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there are always excuses when you dont have answers.
Me stating a fact isn't an excuse.
If more salary was an option, I imagine many would take the offer.
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Give people options. Why is that so hard for you?
Rog you're just ignoring my question and answering one that wasn't asked
Posted on 11/19/24 at 8:50 am to SlowFlowPro
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Rog you're just ignoring my question
Not at all.
If a salaried employee can complete his work in half a day, he is underworked.
Why is that so hard to understand?
Posted on 11/19/24 at 8:51 am to SlowFlowPro
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Why can't employees who are salaried be judged on their productivity/results?
Salaried employees are paid for a defined number of work hours. I worked at a Hospital that I was on a yearly salary plus shift differentials and OT. We had to work 40 hours a week instead of the normal 36 hours. If you want to be paid by productivity/results that is a contractor.
Posted on 11/19/24 at 8:54 am to RogerTheShrubber
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If a salaried employee can complete his work in half a day, he is underworked.
Why is that so hard to understand?
That employee is likely on a tier (both in terms of expectations, responsibilities, and salary) with others.
If the others require full time to do the work and he doesn't, why punish him? The alternative is to make his productivity the standard and fire everyone else on the tier (which we all know won't work in the real world).
In your changed hypothetical, sure, he should get more salary. However, this is not going to happen in the vast majority of cases. That's just not how most companies can operate (due to the stratification it would create, the inverse of my prior paragraph).
If you're talking in terms of hourly work or commission-based work, then the salary stratification can work. You seem to be thinking of this scenario in an hourly mindset.
But we are discussing the scenario of a salaried worker.
Posted on 11/19/24 at 8:57 am to John Barron
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Salaried employees are paid for a defined number of work hours.
Not always. Nor do they have a set time of having work responsibilities.
Working a defined number of hours and being "on the clock" is for hourly workers.
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. If you want to be paid by productivity/results that is a contractor.
No. Many employees work this way. The contractor relationship has literally nothing to do with this scenario (in fact, most contractors I know about contract in hourly terms). The contractor v. employer relationship has much more to do with control and liability.
Posted on 11/19/24 at 8:58 am to SlowFlowPro
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That employee is likely on a tier (both in terms of expectations, responsibilities, and salary) with others.
Getting paid by result gives this employee a chance to earn more money.
While working from home. Sounds like a win win.
Do you know who dont like it? Slackers.
This post was edited on 11/19/24 at 9:01 am
Posted on 11/19/24 at 9:02 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Getting paid by result gives this employee a chance to earn more money.
Rog, you're changing the facts again to fit your argument
We are discussing employees on a set salary and judging them based on results instead of hours worked. That's the factual scenario.
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Do you know who dont like it? Slackers.
If a person can complete a task in 2 hours and another person works hard for 8 hours but can't complete the task, which person is the slacker?
This post was edited on 11/19/24 at 9:04 am
Posted on 11/19/24 at 9:03 am to SlowFlowPro
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Rog, you're changing the fact
Ive changed nothing.
This has been my point all along. Just because some dipshits have reading comp issues, that aint my problem.
Posted on 11/19/24 at 9:04 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Ive changed nothing.
We are discussing employees on a set salary and judging them based on results instead of hours worked. That's the factual scenario.
We're not discussing some scenario where the salary will change.
Posted on 11/19/24 at 9:05 am to SlowFlowPro
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We are discussing employees on a set salary and judging them based on results
And I gave you my opinion.
You just didnt like it.
Posted on 11/19/24 at 9:09 am to RogerTheShrubber
535 post wow!
I think his use of "morally" is incorrect but that's his usage not mine.
The debate over the economics of it is something each business or department should have.
I think his use of "morally" is incorrect but that's his usage not mine.
The debate over the economics of it is something each business or department should have.
Posted on 11/19/24 at 9:09 am to fr33manator
Spoke like a true employee
Posted on 11/19/24 at 9:11 am to goatmilker
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The debate over the economics of it is something each business or department should have.
Yep
I would monetize results. People who are capable of more work, get more pay.
Posted on 11/19/24 at 9:13 am to SlowFlowPro
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Working a defined number of hours and being "on the clock" is for hourly workers.
No it's not. I just told you I worked at a Hospital where I was on salary and had to be at the hospital for 40 hours a week. When I was a travel nurse and working hourly I could work my own schedule and work 1 day one week and 5 the next. I just gave you an example which is the exact opposite of what you claim
This post was edited on 11/19/24 at 9:16 am
Posted on 11/19/24 at 9:14 am to John Barron
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No it's not.
Someone said he is ashamed of his upbringing and it makes total sense. Its pathological with him.
He desperately wants to distance himself from anything normal or blue collar.
So being paid for your time is below him now.
Posted on 11/19/24 at 9:16 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Thats not what it says. Not even close. You need some help.
Boy, here is the full post… certainly looks like I quoted exactly what you said in the post. Again, why so angry?
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Posted by RogerTheShrubber 11/19/24 at 7:55 am to Lsut81 quote: Then you’re a terrible manager if you’re worried about tasks rather than results. If my staff is getting all tasks done in half a day, theyre underworked. Replyreplies2... up vote0
Posted on 11/19/24 at 9:17 am to Lsut81
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certainly looks like I quoted exactl
You cannot understand anything lady.
Youre wanting so badly to be outraged here.
If you could understand the simple words I typed, you wouldnt have this problem.
Posted on 11/19/24 at 9:18 am to Decatur
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I wonder how much Musk works in the office on a weekly basis?
LOLZ
Posted on 11/19/24 at 9:19 am to John Barron
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When I was a travel nurse and working hourly I could work my own schedule and work 1 day one week and 5 the next.
Contract, correct?
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