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Posted on 2/14/22 at 8:45 am to Ace Midnight
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And when hundreds of millions of EVs need new batteries every 2 to 4 years, that's going to be a fricking problem, frankly.
You're in fantasy land, not reality. Here is the data on Tesla Model S/X battery. Actual data, not conjecture
Average battery degradation over 100,000 miles: 4%
Miles before 20% defecation: 500,000
All Tesla's come with an 8 year battery warranty. If your Tesla experiences 30% battery degradation within 8 years, you're able to replace the battery. Very reasonable. Of course there are numerous Teslas on the road right now with more than 300,000 miles on them.
I don't understand the outright refusal to at least consider that the tech is impressive. I can fully understand preferring an ICE, but what is with the hard stance about the tech in the face of reality
Edit for my personal case. I have a 2015 Model S. My battery has only experienced roughly 7% degradation. I consider that very reasonable
This post was edited on 2/14/22 at 8:49 am
Posted on 2/14/22 at 9:17 am to burger bearcat
Well well...
Looks like "ELECTRIC" CARS were first developed...at LEAST back in 1832.
Is this "ALL-ELECTRIC" agenda transition from fossil fuels possible or realistic?
IS it possible that humanity HAS possessed electric power Tech has been hidden and sandbagged for almost 200 years? (Exhibit "A": Battery-powered cars from 1832 and early "electric chargers" found at the link)
MERCURY: POWER IN THE OLD WORLD
So....it does appear "Battery" power is part of what was established OLDE TECH power. (Or as some refer to it: "Antiquitech"). Mercury was a large part of that "grid"; harnessing electric from the "aether" of sky was another "electric" source (that was FREE).
The particular tech -- based on the "fuel" of Mercury (yes, the very same Mercury we've all been told is "too dangerous" its possession restricted) is yet more Olde Tech that has been been hidden and "held in reserve" by tPTB UNTIL they were ready to re-release it. That time appears to be ASAP. Again -- this over-night transition to battery-operated vehicles coincides with their mega-agenda to eliminate Fossil Fuels. THEY ALREADY HAVE THE TECH.
Be sure to also check out the poster comments on the Mercury Power at the video (Paul Cook YT channel). So many are researching and exposing buried science & history.
(For those also interested in "impossible" Olde World architecture that's inexplicably been demolished, this Paul Cook channel video also covers a fascinating separate historical examination and weird story of a grand Olde World building in England called, 'Nentley Hospital' [1/4 mile long]).
Looks like "ELECTRIC" CARS were first developed...at LEAST back in 1832.
Is this "ALL-ELECTRIC" agenda transition from fossil fuels possible or realistic?
IS it possible that humanity HAS possessed electric power Tech has been hidden and sandbagged for almost 200 years? (Exhibit "A": Battery-powered cars from 1832 and early "electric chargers" found at the link)
MERCURY: POWER IN THE OLD WORLD
So....it does appear "Battery" power is part of what was established OLDE TECH power. (Or as some refer to it: "Antiquitech"). Mercury was a large part of that "grid"; harnessing electric from the "aether" of sky was another "electric" source (that was FREE).
The particular tech -- based on the "fuel" of Mercury (yes, the very same Mercury we've all been told is "too dangerous" its possession restricted) is yet more Olde Tech that has been been hidden and "held in reserve" by tPTB UNTIL they were ready to re-release it. That time appears to be ASAP. Again -- this over-night transition to battery-operated vehicles coincides with their mega-agenda to eliminate Fossil Fuels. THEY ALREADY HAVE THE TECH.
Be sure to also check out the poster comments on the Mercury Power at the video (Paul Cook YT channel). So many are researching and exposing buried science & history.
(For those also interested in "impossible" Olde World architecture that's inexplicably been demolished, this Paul Cook channel video also covers a fascinating separate historical examination and weird story of a grand Olde World building in England called, 'Nentley Hospital' [1/4 mile long]).
Posted on 2/14/22 at 9:22 am to shel311
How are we planning to dispose of these batteries as they expire? Your everyday batteries (car, A, AA,AAA,D,etc) are already an environmental issue, and these are thousands of times bigger. EV is a freaking joke.
Posted on 2/14/22 at 9:24 am to aTmTexas Dillo
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If this is ultimately a clusterfricke then bring it on and let it happen and then let's get on with hydrogen fuel cells
HFCs are going to be a problem, too. That's a discussion for a different time.
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So you wouldn't get an EV.
I didn't say that. I'm saying that the Greenies either don't understand the consequences of replacing roughly 2 billion vehicles that are currently using ICEs with EVs over the next 20 years is going to have massive, unsustainable costs or that is what they want. "You will own nothing and love it."
Posted on 2/14/22 at 9:30 am to joshnorris14
quote:So they poop at 500,000 miles?
Miles before 20% defecation: 500,000
Serious question - I just bought a Polaris Ranger EV. I get mixed recommendations as to when to charge. Some say run it down into the 30% range before charging. Others say top it off after each use. I just let mine get down to 85% and then plugged her in. I have heard of memory issues and things like that. I can't imagine having to change ruined batteries in a Tesla. Replacing batteries in this EV (8 x 12volt) could easily hit $1,500 to 2000.
Posted on 2/14/22 at 9:31 am to joshnorris14
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You're in fantasy land, not reality. Here is the data on Tesla Model S/X battery. Actual data, not conjecture
Now do 2 billion vehicles worldwide. I'm kind of working on roughly a 10% battery replacement per EV, per year.
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but what is with the hard stance about the tech in the face of reality
I'm talking about these very things. I get it - you need fewer replacement parts. EVs have a longer maintenance interval. They're cleaner at the point of use. I also see a certain amount of efficiency for folks in the South and Southwest to generate their own power (via solar) and charging their own cars. There are LOTS of positives, individually, to owning/operating EVs.
But the powers that be are apparently insisting that EVERYONE does it. Can everyone have an EV? Is there a plan for these batteries, even if they continue to improve, they still have to be made with rare minerals and they have to be disposed.
The EV Pollyannas either can't or won't see the huge costs and consequences on the horizon, to the point they don't want to hear them.
Posted on 2/14/22 at 9:36 am to Ace Midnight
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I didn't say that. I'm saying that the Greenies either don't understand the consequences of replacing roughly 2 billion vehicles that are currently using ICEs with EVs over the next 20 years is going to have massive, unsustainable costs or that is what they want.
Yes, I agree. There are likely a lot of people who think all you have to do it plug the thing in and get electricity. And the wires are there and the electricity runs through the wires for the taking.
Posted on 2/14/22 at 9:37 am to Diamondawg
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Miles before 20% defecation: 500,000
Does anyone know what the real d word is?
Posted on 2/14/22 at 9:40 am to Ace Midnight
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Is there a plan for these batteries, even if they continue to improve, they still have to be made with rare minerals and they have to be disposed.
Can these batteries be recycled or lithium reprocessed? Yeah, I suspect it will take energy.
Posted on 2/14/22 at 9:54 am to Ace Midnight
You can both think EVs are an impressive emerging tech and the propaganda about EVs is ridiculous
Posted on 2/14/22 at 9:59 am to Ace Midnight
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massive, unsustainable costs or
Just subsidize it. The government has plenty of money.
Posted on 2/14/22 at 10:10 am to aTmTexas Dillo
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is an EV motor more efficient than an ICE?
Yes. It's why electric motors have provided the tractive force for nearly all rail freight in the US since the 70s.
Posted on 2/14/22 at 10:14 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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It's why electric motors have provided the tractive force for nearly all rail freight in the US since the 70s.
Without question, all of the torque of an electric motor is available immediately. (This is why mundane electric passenger cars have the acceleration of motorcycles.)
Now, if there wasn't an onboard, massive diesel engine to power those motors on trains, how long would it take to charge THOSE batteries? How long would they last? How fricking huge would they be?
Posted on 2/14/22 at 10:18 am to Langland
CFLs were not very good, but they'd been around since the 80s, IIRC.
Most people just bought incandescents until the early 00s.
But LEDs are a different story - the lifespan is good and you have a much broader range of color spectrum.
If you tell me you prefer incandescent to CFL, I get it, but not to LED.
Most people just bought incandescents until the early 00s.
But LEDs are a different story - the lifespan is good and you have a much broader range of color spectrum.
If you tell me you prefer incandescent to CFL, I get it, but not to LED.
Posted on 2/14/22 at 10:18 am to Nado Jenkins83
quote:There's been dozens of studies, using all factors. It's not, you can choose to ignore all of that in order to think what you want but that doesn't make you right.
Except it is. they mine for nickel with electric diggers? Then transport the pieces by electric ship? Or does the nickel come from fairy farts?
Posted on 2/14/22 at 10:20 am to joshnorris14
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You can both think EVs are an impressive emerging tech and the propaganda about EVs is ridiculous
No, I'm sorry. You must throw the baby out with the bathwater. It is so written.
Posted on 2/14/22 at 10:20 am to Deek
quote:Tesla already has a program to recycle batteries, and the tech will only get better.
How are we planning to dispose of these batteries as they expire?
quote:Why?
EV is a freaking joke.
Posted on 2/14/22 at 10:29 am to jonnyanony
My problem with LED is the things act like a timing light and make it impossible to tell if a 60hz motor is running or not by sight.
Posted on 2/14/22 at 10:30 am to burger bearcat
So if I go on a 300 mile road trip and the destination doesn't have a place where I can re-charge the vehicle, what are my options?
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