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re: Ebola: The tale of two networks
Posted on 10/26/14 at 8:01 pm to mmcgrath
Posted on 10/26/14 at 8:01 pm to mmcgrath
quote:The premise was based on THP having detained Duncan. Results identifying Ebola were not available to THP for 48hrs.
and it seems like they can get preliminary results in less than 12 hours.
Fever, vomiting, diarrhea are symptoms secondary to a vast, vast number of causes.
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Posted on 10/26/14 at 8:58 pm to Tigah in the ATL
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You are the idiot demographic the Democratic party is counting on.
FIFY
Posted on 10/26/14 at 9:48 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:Not when you throw in recent travel to Liberia. However in that case they shouldn't force a quarantine either until results come back positive. They probably could have done it on the second visit if he was in such a condition but it doesn't sound like he would be able to walk out of the hospital at that point.
The premise was based on THP having detained Duncan. Results identifying Ebola were not available to THP for 48hrs.
Fever, vomiting, diarrhea are symptoms secondary to a vast, vast number of causes.
When I was talking about forced quarantine I was referring to someone who had known contact with a very sick Ebola victim and was displaying symptoms. In the case of Duncan his contact wasn't known.
Posted on 10/26/14 at 9:53 pm to mmcgrath
Thumbs up to the trio states for standing up for America ! Thumbs up for the health workers who help the sick, but you don't know if your deadly infected and no test will show your clean of ebola until 21 days! Enjoy your 21 day quarantine via of the American people! Its. right! We will honor you then!
Posted on 10/26/14 at 10:12 pm to asurob1
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Hilarious that now the republicans are happy to detain citizens against their will. So goes freedom right?
They support removing freedom when there's a 0.01% chance that it's for the greater good.
This post was edited on 10/26/14 at 10:18 pm
Posted on 10/26/14 at 10:37 pm to Asgard Device
Anything that requires a moon suit to stop the spread of a deadly disease is deserving of a quarantine! I never saw any health worker wearing one to fight a flu! And futher more, I'm not a red state or blue state, am an American!
Posted on 10/26/14 at 11:10 pm to Da Sheik
Tells you a lot about current affairs when an infectious disease is made political.
Posted on 10/26/14 at 11:45 pm to Da Sheik
Posted on 10/27/14 at 5:47 am to KCT
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Oh, and btw, the last time I checked the Gov of NY was a Dem, and the Gov of NJ was a contender for the Republican Presidential nomination.
FIFY.
No one is suggesting that they're motivated by partisanship, but they are giving into fear.
Posted on 10/27/14 at 5:57 am to stormy
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Anything that requires a moon suit to stop the spread of a deadly disease is deserving of a quarantine! I never saw any health worker wearing one to fight a flu! And futher more, I'm not a red state or blue state, am an American!
They don't wear moon suits to treat people with AIDS either. The fact that the Ebola "experts" wear this sort of PPE to treat people who have a fever but aren't vomiting or bleeding, does give a mixed message.
Posted on 10/27/14 at 6:50 am to trackfan
Are you saying you personally would have skin to skin contact with someone you know has Ebola and had a fever so long as they're not shitting themselves or throwing up?
Posted on 10/27/14 at 7:26 am to KCT
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That argument is a red herring, ATL. Officials need to make wise decisions in order to ensure that the number of Ebola cases in America remain at a minimum.
It is not a wise decision to force someone into quratinine against their will when there is very little evidence that a disease is not contagious when they aren't symptomatic. It is complete and utter government overreach and I ashamed that "conservatives" are calling for it.
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In case you haven't noticed, healthcare workers have contracted all but one of the cases that have been treated here. But by all means, let's let them come home and take the subway to go bowling.
None of Duncan's relatives caught the disease and they were in the same freaking house for 2 days while he was symptomatic. Vinson's flight was on Oct 10th so :fingerscrossed: until then, but I feel fairly confident no one will catch it. The only "home grown" cases were because of a failure in protocol not the contagiousness of the disease.
Posted on 10/27/14 at 7:26 am to DD44
Of course not. I would wear the same PPE I see the workers at the CDC wearing. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
Posted on 10/27/14 at 7:34 am to asurob1
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Hilarious that now the republicans are happy to detain citizens against their will.
So goes freedom right?
An Obamadrone finds his voice on personal freedom.
Will wonders never cease.
Posted on 10/27/14 at 7:35 am to stormy
quote:
Anything that requires a moon suit to stop the spread of a deadly disease is deserving of a quarantine!
not when there is a 0% chance of transmitting it when you are asymptomatic. Monitoring your health is and exercising common sense is all that is needed.
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I never saw any health worker wearing one to fight a flu!
2 completely seperate modes of infection. so you are comparing apples to oranges. Also most healthcare workers are required to get a flu vaccine and can treat it with little worry of catching it. However, last year when I took my mom to the doctor's office when there was an outbreak of flu that wasn't in the flu shot (just a guess) I was instructed to make her wear a mask in the waiting room and all of the nurses and doc had a mask on when they saw her.
Posted on 10/27/14 at 7:36 am to Tigah in the ATL
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You are the idiot demographic fox is counting on.
This post seem to rustle many of jimmies.
Posted on 10/27/14 at 7:39 am to trackfan
quote:Comparison of aids and Ebola is really misleading. If someone with fulminant HIV was somehow spewing blood everywhere, there might be some equation.
They don't wear moon suits to treat people with AIDS either. The fact that the Ebola "experts" wear this sort of PPE to treat people who have a fever but aren't vomiting or bleeding, does give a mixed message.
However, the viral load exposure required to transmit Ebola infection is incredibly low by comparison. So even in that circumstance, Ebola would present a greater risk.
This post was edited on 10/27/14 at 7:40 am
Posted on 10/27/14 at 7:45 am to NC_Tigah
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Comparison of aids and Ebola is really misleading. If someone with fulminant HIV was somehow spewing blood everywhere, there might be some equation
true, most hiv/aids patients are presenting with symptoms that will lead to easy transmission, like ebola patients are in the later stages of infection.
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However, the viral load exposure required to transmit Ebola infection is incredibly low by comparison. So even in that circumstance, Ebola would present a greater risk.
Actually no, both have an unknown but thought to be extremely small infectious dose, the risk of infection when coming into contact with infected blood is similar.
Posted on 10/27/14 at 7:50 am to WeeWee
quote:Ebola's infectious dose is really not "unknown". Neither is HIV. But, could you link those HIV vs Ebola comparatives please. I'd be interested in reading them.
Actually no, both have an unknown but thought to be extremely small infectious dose, the risk of infection when coming into contact with infected blood is similar.
This post was edited on 10/27/14 at 7:51 am
Posted on 10/27/14 at 7:58 am to NC_Tigah
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Ebola's infectious dose is really not "unknown". Neither is HIV. But, could you link those HIV vs Ebola comparatives please. I'd be interested in reading them.
I haven't looked it up in awhile and my between class break is over in 3 minutes so I don't have time right now to look it up, but I will try to find it and will post it after class. I was doing some research back during august and ebola was thought to have a really low ID but the exact # (say 100 or so like with some food poisoning viruses) was unknown the same with HIV.
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