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re: Eagles' Zach Ertz slams Fox News over misleading anthem images
Posted on 6/5/18 at 4:32 pm to SDVTiger
Posted on 6/5/18 at 4:32 pm to SDVTiger
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It's amazing that this guy was yours and tLefts hero.
Saw this earlier.
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Wild how NFL players went from the dudes that beat up their wives to the nation's moral compass in like six months.
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Posted on 6/5/18 at 4:47 pm to junkfunky
Posted on 6/5/18 at 5:09 pm to SDVTiger
quote:Why did you cut off my post? Didn't have anything to say so you stick with the group-think hero tripe.
When Kaepernick first protested, he sat during the national anthem
It's amazing that this guy was yours and tLefts hero.
I'll post it again to give you another chance to comment on the whole thing.
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When Kaepernick first protested, he sat during the national anthem. He was told that was disrespectful, so he said he would kneel for the anthem, so as not to be disrespectful of military veterans.
You think that kneeing for the anthem shows that the players don't appreciate their country or those who have died in uniform.
Posted on 6/5/18 at 5:12 pm to texridder
quote:I don't care if he sits, kneels or picks his nose.
When Kaepernick first protested, he sat during the national anthem. He was told that was disrespectful, so he said he would kneel for the anthem, so as not to be disrespectful of military veterans.
You think that kneeing for the anthem shows that the players don't appreciate their country or those who have died in uniform.
He's at work.
In front of his employer's customers.
That this is even a thing shows how insane regular people are about idolizing sports people.
A bunch of regular people who KNOW they can't do this shite at their own jobs feel bad for millionaires who play a game not being allowed to do it on their job.
Posted on 6/5/18 at 5:51 pm to ShortyRob
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A bunch of regular people who KNOW they can't do this shite at their own jobs feel bad for millionaires who play a game not being allowed to do it on their job.
I get the perspective of the protesting at work thing, but I'm not sure that comparing a pro athlete demonstrating on TV to John Q. Employee works as good of an analogy as it seems.
Also, not all of the team owners, who are the players employers, are against the demonstrations.
Posted on 6/5/18 at 5:55 pm to boogiewoogie1978
Not surprising considerinh Fox is a shitty excuse for a news network
Posted on 6/5/18 at 7:57 pm to ApexTiger
I don’t think the Iraq War was worth losing 4500 American lives over. That and the Afghanistan war (another 2000+) included combating terroists but those countries are still a massive mess. The Middle East has been filled with constant fighting since forever and getting involved there does nothing to help us or them. You greatly damage a group like Al-Qaeda but then a group like ISIS springs up. That radical Islamic ideology isn’t going away no matter how many terrorists we kill.
Then you have wars like Vietnam that amounted to nothing in the end. 47000 American soldiers killled for what? Those soldiers died fighting a proxy war.
And then you have additional service members injured or killed while involving themselves in other countries internal affairs. Those people definitely died for protecting American interests not the people.
So no, none of this wars are worth losing hundreds to thousands of American lives over, additional tens of thousands injured or psychologically damaged, and another additional trillion dollars of tax payer money.
Then you have wars like Vietnam that amounted to nothing in the end. 47000 American soldiers killled for what? Those soldiers died fighting a proxy war.
And then you have additional service members injured or killed while involving themselves in other countries internal affairs. Those people definitely died for protecting American interests not the people.
So no, none of this wars are worth losing hundreds to thousands of American lives over, additional tens of thousands injured or psychologically damaged, and another additional trillion dollars of tax payer money.
This post was edited on 6/5/18 at 8:03 pm
Posted on 6/5/18 at 8:03 pm to texridder
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I'm not sure that comparing a pro athlete demonstrating on TV to John Q. Employee works as good of an analogy as it seems.
It costs NFL franchises millions of dollars. The conversation basically starts and ends there. And Kaepernicks problem is that he isn't nearly good enough to make for the lost revenue so it makes it an easy decision for owners. You don't keep a low level employee whose personal life costs you money.
Personally, I don't really think it's all that disrespectful. My problem is that Kaepernick and Reid are just like most protesters in the sense that they don't really understand the issue they are protesting and don't offer any suggestions to help rectify the alleged problem they cannot explain. It's basically an exercise in moral masturbation.
Posted on 6/5/18 at 8:56 pm to Antonio Moss
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Personally, I don't really think it's all that disrespectful. My problem is that Kaepernick and Reid are just like most protesters in the sense that they don't really understand the issue they are protesting and don't offer any suggestions to help rectify the alleged problem they cannot explain. It's basically an exercise in moral masturbation.
They are calling attention to what they think is a problem. They don't claim to, nor should they be expected to, have a solution to the problem.
They are trying to keep a discussion about a possible solution (or at least working toward one) in the pubic eye.
Posted on 6/5/18 at 8:59 pm to texridder
quote:You're correct. It's even MORE absurd to go out of your way to support a guy who can have his voice heard basically any time he wants over the dude at Home Depot whose best chance to be heard might be wearing a Trump hat while on register.
I get the perspective of the protesting at work thing, but I'm not sure that comparing a pro athlete demonstrating on TV to John Q. Employee works as good of an analogy as it seems.
quote:Yes. But the team owners agree to abide by league policies. I mean, not all team owners agree with a shite tone of league policies.
Also, not all of the team owners, who are the players employers, are against the demonstrations.
Sorry. Bottom line. They're at work. That means, they're beholden to the employer's decision. Period.
Posted on 6/5/18 at 10:19 pm to bmy
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Jim crow laws and systemic racism destroyed the black nuclear family.
Do you really want to compare the percentage of single parent homes in the black community prior to 1960 to that of present day America? I don't really think you do.
Posted on 6/5/18 at 10:24 pm to boogiewoogie1978
It was a simple mistake, Zack.
Chill out, dude.
Chill out, dude.
Posted on 6/5/18 at 11:07 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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Trump disinvited the whole team because some of the Eagle's players said they weren't going to attend.
It was reported that one players was confirmed. Are you suggesting the WH should hold an event for one person?
GFY
They said they were not coming so he cancelled. I see no problem with any of this. They are no more required to show up than he is to invite them.
ZZZzzzz....
Posted on 6/5/18 at 11:37 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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Trump didn't disinvite them because they protested, Trump disinvited the whole team because some of the Eagle's players said they weren't going to attend.
You need to go back and reread his quotes. He clearly thought that some of the players were kneeling
Posted on 6/6/18 at 6:13 am to texridder
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They are calling attention to what they think is a problem.
They haven't lifted one finger to do an ounce of research to determine if there is actually a problem. It's just lazy.
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They don't claim to, nor should they be expected to, have a solution to the problem.
Well, that makes this whole ordeal pretty useless, right?
Posted on 6/6/18 at 11:48 am to SoFla Tideroller
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Do you really want to compare the percentage of single parent homes in the black community prior to 1960 to that of present day America? I don't really think you do.
Sure. It was dramatically higher during the reconstruction then during/post the civil rights movement it exploded. That's not surprising. White people lost their shite at the idea of equality and in the following years blacks were displaced from suburbs and homes, denied loans based on skin color, forced into high density resource poor urban areas, denied access to fair market rates, and as the poverty rate increased so did the rate of crime. Combine that with a surge in profiling/broken window policing and the racist penal system.. black men were locked up at crazy rates.
We just don't like admitting that the white man intentionally held them down. We don't need shite like reparations but a hand up and a seat at the table is how we are making solid progress together
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