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Dr. Thomas Sowell: The legacy of slavery vs legacy of liberalism-explain where he is wrong

Posted on 1/12/18 at 9:45 pm
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
74203 posts
Posted on 1/12/18 at 9:45 pm
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Supreme Court Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes said there were "phrases that serve as an excuse for not thinking." One of these phrases that substitute for thought today is one that depicts the current problems of blacks in America as "a legacy of slavery."

New York Times writer Nicholas Kristof asserts that there is "overwhelming evidence that centuries of racial subjugation still shape inequity in the 21st century" and he mentions "the lingering effects of slavery." But before we become overwhelmed, that evidence should be checked out.

The evidence offered by Mr. Kristof

seems considerably short of overwhelming, to put it charitably. He cites a study showing that "counties in America that had a higher proportion of slaves in 1860 are still more unequal today." Has he never heard statisticians' repeated warnings that correlation is not causation?

The South long remained a region that blacks fled by the millions — for very good reasons. But, in more recent years, the net migration of blacks has been from the North to the South. No doubt they have good reasons for that as well.

But there is no reason to believe that blacks today are unaware of the history of slavery or of the Jim Crow era in the South. Indeed, there are black "leaders" who seem to talk about nothing else. Yet blacks who are moving back to the South seem more concerned with the present and the future than with the past.

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Kristof's other "overwhelming" evidence of the current effects of past slavery is that blacks do not have as much income as whites. But Puerto Ricans do not have as much income as Japanese Americans. Mexican Americans do not have as much income as Cuban Americans. All sorts of people do not have as much income as all sorts of other people, not only in the United States, but in countries around the world. And most of these people were never enslaved.

If we wanted to be serious about evidence, we might compare where blacks stood a hundred years after the end of slavery with where they stood after 30 years of the liberal welfare state. In other words, we could compare hard evidence on "the legacy of slavery" with hard evidence on the legacy of liberals.

Despite the grand myth that black economic progress began or accelerated with the passage of the civil rights laws and "war on poverty" programs of the 1960s, the cold fact is that the poverty rate among blacks fell from 87 percent in 1940 to 47 percent by 1960. This was before any of those programs began.

Over the next 20 years, the poverty rate among blacks fell another 18 percentage points, compared to the 40-point drop in the previous 20 years. This was the continuation of a previous economic trend, at a slower rate of progress, not the economic grand deliverance proclaimed by liberals and self-serving black "leaders."

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Ending the Jim Crow laws was a landmark achievement. But, despite the great proliferation of black political and other "leaders" that resulted from the laws and policies of the 1960s, nothing comparable happened economically. And there were serious retrogressions socially.

Nearly a hundred years of the supposed "legacy of slavery" found most black children being raised in two-parent families in 1960. But thirty years after the liberal welfare state found the great majority of black children being raised by a single parent.


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The murder rate among blacks in 1960 was one-half of what it became 20 years later, after a legacy of liberals' law enforcement policies. Public housing projects in the first half of the 20th century were clean, safe places, where people slept outside on hot summer nights, when they were too poor to afford air conditioning. That was before admissions standards for public housing projects were lowered or abandoned, in the euphoria of liberal non-judgmental notions. And it was before the toxic message of victimhood was spread by liberals. We all know what hell holes public housing has become in our times. The same toxic message produced similar social results among lower-income people in England, despite an absence of a "legacy of slavery" there.

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If we are to go by evidence of social retrogression, liberals have wreaked more havoc on blacks than the supposed "legacy of slavery" they talk about. Liberals should heed the title of Jason Riley's insightful book, "Please Stop Helping Us."


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Posted by mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Member since Nov 2015
39420 posts
Posted on 1/12/18 at 9:54 pm to
Black middle class was almost equal to Whites in the late 1950's early 1960's.

But then we had recessions and a certain group never got off the government dole.

LBJ ruined black families from being proud and independant.

And you get this crap spouted on Wikipedia:

Why black people went into poverty...

In addition, with beliefs in "reverse racism" prevailing, aiding programs that were enacted during the Civil Rights Movement to improve the state of the black community began being heavily opposed and overturned by the late 1970s and into the 1980s.
Posted by Roger Klarvin
DFW
Member since Nov 2012
46671 posts
Posted on 1/12/18 at 10:04 pm to
It's a lot more complex than either side will admit to.

A huge portion of the blame for their current state of affairs lies at the feet of three men however: LBJ, Ronald Reagan and J. Edgar Hoover

The legacies left by those men did irreparable harm to the American black community, albeit in dramatically different ways.
Posted by RCDfan1950
United States
Member since Feb 2007
39697 posts
Posted on 1/12/18 at 10:04 pm to
Thomas Sowell has the best mind in this Nation when it comes to the interrelationship of socio-political economics. His brilliance is only shadowed by his honest, and bravery. My Hero!

Posted by Roger Klarvin
DFW
Member since Nov 2012
46671 posts
Posted on 1/12/18 at 10:07 pm to
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LBJ ruined black families from being proud and independant.


LBJ's social policies helped put them there, Reagan's drug and law enforcement policies helped keep them there and the heinous/false information about blacks and black leaders drummed up by Hoover's FBI was the foundation for legislation and mindsets used to both publically and privately discriminate against them in the 20th century.
Posted by The_Duke
Member since Nov 2016
4408 posts
Posted on 1/12/18 at 10:07 pm to
I'll never understand arguments like this

You're caring well intentioned actions ended up doing more harm than slavery! Bad liberals!
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
74203 posts
Posted on 1/12/18 at 10:08 pm to
Entirely missed the point of the argument.

you people grow up refusing to entertain any other viewpoints. You listen to your leaders and reverends coddle you
Posted by Roger Klarvin
DFW
Member since Nov 2012
46671 posts
Posted on 1/12/18 at 10:14 pm to
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You're caring well intentioned actions ended up doing more harm than slavery! Bad liberals!



It's not about being more harmful. Clearly, slavery was far more harmful to the blacks who experienced it and it's immediate aftermath.

But it's important to acknowledge that today in 2018, the average black American is far more directly impacted by the policies of LBJ and Reagan than by our legacy of slavery. Moreover, we should not ignore that many of LBJ's policies were intended no solely to aid AAs but to lock up their votes. Democratic leadership from the era openly admitted as much. This was not pure altruism, and there have been some dreadful unintended consequences.
Posted by mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Member since Nov 2015
39420 posts
Posted on 1/12/18 at 10:14 pm to
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Reagan's drug and law enforcement policies helped keep them there and the heinous/false information


I don't care what background you come from or what race...but the war on drugs is the worst thing to happen in the 20th century for Americans. It has been a 50 year crime against humanity...worse than the Gulags.

We incarerate more people than China and Russia combined and they have way more people than us combined.

I totally agree (because the history supports it) that the crackdown on drugs was very race related.
It was easy to sell the drug laws.
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