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re: Dr. Oz is Currently Conducting A Study; So Far, They've Found Nobody w/Lupus & Taking....
Posted on 4/6/20 at 3:52 pm to ApexTiger
Posted on 4/6/20 at 3:52 pm to ApexTiger
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"That's anecdotal evidence"
Given that only 1 in 3500 people in the US have gotten Covid-19, and people with Lupus are certainly more likely to stay isolated with something like this going on.... Yea, it is.
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Posted on 4/6/20 at 3:54 pm to KCT
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Dr. Oz is Currently Conducting A Study
That's dumb.
The CDC should have access to that information right now. If we have 350k+ cases, and show that the percentage of those cases who also have Lupus is significantly below the national average, that paints a pretty strong picture.
Honestly, if that's the case, it would open up a LOT of questions about inaction that aren't going to be pleasant.
Posted on 4/6/20 at 3:55 pm to Mizooag94
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If they looked at all the lupus cases in NY...would that mean something?
I’m thinking something more like nurses and doctors with lupus on plaquenil working in a covid unit vs those working there who aren’t. Even then you have a number of confounding factors but it sure is better representative then what was posted by the OP.
Posted on 4/6/20 at 3:56 pm to Adam Banks
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Dr oz’ attempts to pass off correlation as causation is laughable as well.
He didn't say he was ready to announce any conclusions, you fricking dumbass. Like I said earlier, he's currently in the process of expanding the study. But as of now, they haven't found any Lupus patient currently taking hydroxychloroquine who has tested positive for Covid-19.
Honestly, if you can't see any possible usefulness from this study then you aren't very bright.
Posted on 4/6/20 at 3:58 pm to KCT
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Honestly, if you can't see any possible usefulness from this study then you aren't very bright
Ask yourself this. Do you think someone on immunosuppressants is more or less likely to go out in public with no precautions during an epidemic?
It can just as easily be explained by increased social distancing.
Posted on 4/6/20 at 4:05 pm to Adam Banks
We understand that human studies need to be large and longitudinal. But the drugs are proven safe and the damage to the economy is far to great to wait. Why are politicians blocking it? Let the doctors decide.
Posted on 4/6/20 at 4:06 pm to Adam Banks
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Ask yourself this. Do you think someone on immunosuppressants is more or less likely to go out in public with no precautions during an epidemic?
It can just as easily be explained by increased social distancing.
You seem to take extreme black and white stances on everything.
While your point is reasonable, to think that it completely invalidates the value of noting the population of Lupus patients in the general population as compared to Corona patients is laughable.
Posted on 4/6/20 at 4:11 pm to Mizooag94
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Why are politicians blocking it? Let the doctors decide.
One politician in Nevada. Otherwise it’s being used all over the place. I also assume that it’s being used in Nevada because I have yet to find a story of someone with covid who has been prevented from getting hydroxychloroquine
Posted on 4/6/20 at 4:16 pm to moneyg
I’m just challenging some people to think critically and logically. I have stated that if I got covid I would want hcq. I also don’t think it’s unreasonable to ask questions about Oprah’s doctor poorly designed study. Medical studies and pharma can use statistics to say whatever they want. Take for instance dr oz. he has a board that would normally write him off as being part of the Illuminati with Oprah championing his findings.
Posted on 4/6/20 at 4:18 pm to Adam Banks
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One politician in Nevada. Otherwise it’s being used all over the place. I also assume that it’s being used in Nevada because I have yet to find a story of someone with covid who has been prevented from getting hydroxychloroquine
Half Whit reversed herself after banning it's use and Cuomo is still doing so in NY other than for specific studies or did he change his stance?
Posted on 4/6/20 at 4:20 pm to Adam Banks
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Ask yourself this. Do you think someone on immunosuppressants is more or less likely to go out in public with no precautions during an epidemic?
How active were the people in that Washington nursing home? You think any of them were signed up for a hockey league? Were any of them going to work?
Posted on 4/6/20 at 4:24 pm to BuckyCheese
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Cuomo is still doing so in NY other than for specific studies or did he change his stance
The latest thing I could find was a hannity article (so would be the most biased for hcq) was that Cuomo was forcing people to have a positive test AND could only pick up the prescription at the hospital. An extra hoop to jump through but still wasn’t preventing people from getting it
Posted on 4/6/20 at 4:24 pm to Adam Banks
So what you’re saying is correlation doesn’t equal causation... hmmm.
Posted on 4/6/20 at 4:27 pm to KCT
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How active were the people in that Washington nursing home? You think any of them were signed up for a hockey league? Were any of them going to work?
Not very. But the workers who worked there and the families that came to visit were active. Once it got in it was community spread.
You brought to mind a possibility to generate a better study. Lupus patients on hcq who have a family member in the house with covid vs non lupus non hcq family members.
See! This board is better than dr oz
Posted on 4/6/20 at 5:00 pm to gaetti15
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My wife has lupus (or at least that's the best conclusion rheumatology can come up with)
Has she ever been in the ME?
I was misdiagnosed for years before finding on my own i have a mild case of behcets.
It's rarely diagnosed here bc you need those ME environmental effects to set it off.
Bastards at the VA wont line of duty it and give me my pension.
Posted on 4/6/20 at 5:03 pm to KCT
He needs to find a brave young person who takes plaquenil to sit in a room full of covid patients for a week and see what happens. If this thing is like 100% contagious and they don't test positive after a week something is going on.
Posted on 4/6/20 at 5:05 pm to Adam Banks
That's why he's doing a study.
Posted on 4/6/20 at 5:11 pm to Ollieoxenfree99
There are about three studies being done about using hcq to prevent infection.
Posted on 4/6/20 at 5:52 pm to thetempleowl
....and now the idiot known as Andrew Cuomo has shut down the study (there's a thread on it).
That's just plain stupid.
That's just plain stupid.
Posted on 4/7/20 at 5:55 am to KCT
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by KCT
....hydroxychloroquine who has tested positive for Covid-19.
He's currently in the process of expanding the study, but those are the findings so far. He didn't mention how many Lupus patients have been included in the study so far, but just one source has 800 Lupus patients taking hydroxychloroquine and -0- have tested positive for Covid-19.
Interested to see what the results are as Dr. Oz expands the study.
^^^ THIS is how cure of Hydroxychloroquine was rumored to have been found in China!!!
They found no one with Lupus was getting coronavirus
They wondered why and discovered the common denominator of negative testing Lupus patients was Hydroxychloroquine
So they tested Hydroxychloroquine on coronavirus patients, as only a communist country can, by forcing them to take it in prescribed doses of Lupus patients and all the coronavirus patients were cured in a very short period
Hence Hydroxychloroquine became cure in China and their virtually unlimited supply as the manufacturer of it allowed them to wipe out coronavirus unlike us
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