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Don't push your morals on me!
Posted on 1/27/19 at 11:31 am
Posted on 1/27/19 at 11:31 am
Why is it if a Christian person tries to influence society by either preaching the gospel, trying to use groups or coalitions to change laws or using social media to push causes, characterized as trying to push their morals on others.
But, when a progressive tries to push their ecological demands, strained definitions about sexuality or irrational gun ownership restrictions on me, it isn't defined as a push to force their morals on me?
How is trying to force me under penalty of law to call a man with a penis a woman, not a moral issue?
How is forcing me under the penalty of law to buy health insurance not a moral issue?
How is forcing me to pay through taxes for people who refuse to work not a moral issue?
But, when a progressive tries to push their ecological demands, strained definitions about sexuality or irrational gun ownership restrictions on me, it isn't defined as a push to force their morals on me?
How is trying to force me under penalty of law to call a man with a penis a woman, not a moral issue?
How is forcing me under the penalty of law to buy health insurance not a moral issue?
How is forcing me to pay through taxes for people who refuse to work not a moral issue?
This post was edited on 1/27/19 at 11:32 am
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Posted on 1/27/19 at 11:33 am to Revelator
some will think I am crazy, but I am starting to think that God is turning us over to our own wickedness & that the Father of Lies is imposing his will on our nation
Posted on 1/27/19 at 11:40 am to dcbl
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some will think I am crazy, but I am starting to think that God is turning us over to our own wickedness & that the Father of Lies is imposing his will on our nation
I'm 100% certain this is the case.
Posted on 1/27/19 at 11:42 am to Revelator
Everything is technically a moral issue not sure what the point of this thread is.
Posted on 1/27/19 at 11:42 am to dcbl
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I am starting to think that God is turning us over to our own wickedness & that the Father of Lies is imposing his will on our nation
Always has...we live in Satan's world...theologically the soul is the connection to God...the world is a filthy place (in a theological way)
Posted on 1/27/19 at 11:43 am to Revelator
Governments are not designed to be morals police.
Posted on 1/27/19 at 11:44 am to dcbl
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some will think I am crazy, but I am starting to think that God is turning us over to our own wickedness & that the Father of Lies is imposing his will on our nation
Pretty much. Our will is as free as Eve's was in the garden of Eden. It's what we do with it that will determine our fate.
Posted on 1/27/19 at 11:46 am to gamatt53
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Everything is technically a moral issue not sure what the point of this thread is.
The point of the thread is that it's only defined as forcing morals on someone when those morals are Christian in nature.
Posted on 1/27/19 at 11:46 am to dcbl
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some will think I am crazy, but I am starting to think that God is turning us over to our own wickedness & that the Father of Lies is imposing his will on our nation
Very accurate statement.
Posted on 1/27/19 at 11:46 am to gamatt53
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Everything is technically a moral issue not sure what the point of this thread is.
Point is, it’s usually a one way street on who gets chided and derided for supposedly doing this.
Seemed pretty clear to me.
Posted on 1/27/19 at 11:47 am to Jcorye1
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Governments are not designed to be morals police.
Yet every day politicians are forcing things on me that derive from a moral judgements on their part.
Pelosi said walls are immoral.
This post was edited on 1/27/19 at 11:48 am
Posted on 1/27/19 at 11:47 am to Revelator
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Why is it if a Christian person tries to ... change laws
Because our laws should be derived from our Constitution, not any one religion. Religion is great, but it shouldn’t be used to change law. There are many religions. Even all Christian religions don’t agree on many things.
Ecological “demands” are about resource management and preservation of shared space and crosses state and national boundaries. It makes sense that governments would be involved. The concerns are also rooted in science, not belief.
I agree that government should not be in the position of pushing sexuality issues. That said, they should absolutely be in the position of reducing discrimination, etc.
Gun ownership is absolutely a government issue. Where along the spectrum to place restrictions is a matter for debate, but that debate is a valid discussion at both a local and federal level. It goes to individual defense, public safety, and—in days past—national collective defense.
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How is trying to force me under penalty of law to call a man with a penis a woman, not a moral issue?
Link? This is a new exaggeration I’ve not yet heard.
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How is forcing me under the penalty of law to buy health insurance not a moral issue?
How is forcing me to pay through taxes for people who refuse to work not a moral issue?
While I think you and I may agree on some aspects of these two issues, they aren’t moral issues. They are issues of justice. I might agree that it is unjust to force a man to pay for his neighbor, but it isn’t immoral or moral.
Posted on 1/27/19 at 11:48 am to Revelator
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But, when a progressive tries to push their ecological demands, strained definitions about sexuality or irrational gun ownership restrictions on me
Real world things.
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Why is it if a Christian person tries to influence society by either preaching the gospel
Likely not the answer
Posted on 1/27/19 at 11:49 am to BornAndRaised_LA
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Because our laws should be derived from our Constitution, not any one religion.
The laws themselves derive from a religious influence.
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I might agree that it is unjust to force a man to pay for his neighbor, but it isn’t immoral or moral.
The Bible said if a man refuses to work, he shouldn't eat. It definitely immoral to take money away from me to pay for his sloth.
This post was edited on 1/27/19 at 11:52 am
Posted on 1/27/19 at 11:49 am to Revelator
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Yet every day politicians are forcing things on me that derive from a moral judgements on their part.
Pelosi said walls are immoral.
Politicians, by and large, are pieces of shite who will say, do, and campaign on whatever they believe would get them elected.
Posted on 1/27/19 at 11:51 am to Y.A. Tittle
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Point is, it’s usually a one way street on who gets chided and derided for supposedly doing this. Seemed pretty clear to me.
I would assume it is because one side is bringing some kind of fact based argument to the table and the other side is bringing emotion based arguments based on an old fiction book.
This post was edited on 1/27/19 at 11:53 am
Posted on 1/27/19 at 11:51 am to Revelator
Because progressivism is just like any other hardcore religious movement.
Forbidding the worship of false gods. Check
Destruction of apostates. Check
Spreading of faith through force. Check
Moralization of every aspect of other's lives. Check
Extreme self temperance via elimination of pleasure and "luxuries". Check
Demonization of self pleasure. Check
Punishment of those that question doctrine. Check
Forbidding the worship of false gods. Check
Destruction of apostates. Check
Spreading of faith through force. Check
Moralization of every aspect of other's lives. Check
Extreme self temperance via elimination of pleasure and "luxuries". Check
Demonization of self pleasure. Check
Punishment of those that question doctrine. Check
Posted on 1/27/19 at 11:53 am to gamatt53
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I would assume it is because one side is bringing some kind of fact based argument
Where are the historical facts that socialism works?
Posted on 1/27/19 at 11:54 am to Revelator
The leftist moralists are far more dangerous.
At least we have Constitutional protection form religious moralists establishing a government around their version of morality.
The leftist moralists have no such limitations.
This post was edited on 1/27/19 at 11:55 am
Posted on 1/27/19 at 11:54 am to Revelator
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The laws themselves derive from a religious influence
You ever consider that a lot of religious influence was derived from already existing laws? Do you honestly think the Ten Commandments were the first laws of any kind? I want to hear more of this Fairy Tale
This post was edited on 1/27/19 at 11:55 am
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