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Posted on 3/18/23 at 8:42 am to Joeybd
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Poor little ex pres. He can't help himself but to cry for protests, please come save me. Too Bad.
Are you also hoping for a sniper to be on site?
Posted on 3/18/23 at 8:42 am to Northwestern tiger
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She was murdered
She tried to force her way into the chamber of the house of representatives, which was barricaded to keep the mob out. She was essentially suicide by cop.
Posted on 3/18/23 at 8:43 am to cajunangelle
Going to be a lot of bitching and whining on here Tuesday if true, but that is all MAGA members will do.
Posted on 3/18/23 at 8:43 am to Northwestern tiger
See the response to corrupt Macron in France with now. Makes Antifa look like kindergarten play.
Yet in a far away "Land of the free, Home of the brave", Americans cower to corrupt politicians, LGBTABCXYZ and the Trans freaks that are destroying the country with a politicized socialist agenda.
Yet in a far away "Land of the free, Home of the brave", Americans cower to corrupt politicians, LGBTABCXYZ and the Trans freaks that are destroying the country with a politicized socialist agenda.
Posted on 3/18/23 at 8:44 am to AU86
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Going to be a lot of bitching and whining on here Tuesday if true, but that is all MAGA members will do.
The fact that you think it's "ok" says a lot about you
Posted on 3/18/23 at 8:44 am to AU86
Bitching and whining about weaponizing government entities against a political
Opponent should be something everyone bitches about. Not just MAGA members.
Opponent should be something everyone bitches about. Not just MAGA members.
Posted on 3/18/23 at 8:44 am to Fun Bunch
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I can’t tell if the leftists think this will actually end him, or think this will make him more popular with his base and want him to win the nom.
This will likely get down-voted to hell, but it's the latter. They're very good at using reverse psychology. They know he's a weaker general election candidate than DeSantis and they know our base is stupid enough to rally around Trump after this and give him the nomination.
It's similar to how they pretended to be afraid of candidates like John Gibbs, Joe Kent, Kari Lake, Blake Masters, Dr. Oz, and Doug Mastriano before they won their primaries. They tricked us into voting for them as they were the weaker candidates. Claire McCaskill wrote a book about how she engineered the 2012 Republican Primary for Senate in Missouri so she could face the only Republican she could beat.
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I had successfully manipulated the Republican primary so that in the general election I would face the candidate I was most likely to beat.
So how could we maneuver Akin into the GOP driver’s seat?
Using the guidance of my campaign staff and consultants, we came up with the idea for a “dog whistle” ad, a message that was pitched in such a way that it would be heard only by a certain group of people. I told my team we needed to put Akin’s uber-conservative bona fides in an ad—and then, using reverse psychology, tell voters not to vote for him. And we needed to run the hell out of that ad.
Posted on 3/18/23 at 8:45 am to BBONDS25
most of it.
If McCarthy is right, maybe Bragg is a white hat.
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As usual with Trump, the story is more complicated than it appears at first blush.
The fling alleged by Daniels (whose real name is Stephanie Clifford) and denied by Trump (not very convincingly) is said to have occurred in 2006 — perhaps into 2007, but basically 17 years ago. The hush money arrangement executed for Trump by Michael Cohen (they’ve both acknowledged it after previously denying it) happened just before Election Day in 2016 — i.e., over six years ago.
But take note: While the tryst and the non-disclosure agreement (NDA) constitute the interesting action in this saga, they do not constitute the crime. Marital infidelity is a moral wrong but not a criminal one. And while hush-money is a pejorative term, and the details of this one are sleazy, NDAs per se are perfectly legal and common in civil-law settlements of claims.
The crime under investigation is falsifying business records. As I’ve previously explained, that is generally a misdemeanor under New York law, but it can be a fairly minor felony — Class E, punishable by up to four years’ imprisonment — if prosecutors can prove that the records were falsified in order “to conceal another crime.”
In New York, the statute of limitations for misdemeanors is two years. For felonies, it is generally five years. (I have heard some suggestions that it could be six or more years, but these assume, erroneously I believe, that the statute of limitations for civil fraud could be applied to a criminal case.)
How does the difference between the misdemeanor and felony statutes of limitations apply to this case?
The undisputed facts are that Cohen paid Daniels and executed the NDL in which pseudonyms were used to conceal the identities of the parties. Cohen was then reimbursed by Trump. To further obscure the $130,000 reimbursement, it was combined with $50,000 that Cohen had laid out for polling services. This combined $180,000 was then doubled to $360,000 — i.e., “grossed up” so that Cohen would not take an income-tax hit for what was made to appear as ongoing legal services. He was further given a “bonus” of $60,000, for a total of $420,000.
On the books of the Trump organization, these ostensible legal fees (payable to “Michael D. Cohen Esq.”) were not paid or accounted for in a single-entry transaction. Instead, it was agreed in early 2107 that Cohen would be paid in monthly installments of $35,000 through the remainder of 2017.
The first payment was not made until February 14, 2017, but it was for $70,000, accounting for two months. It was made payable by the then-president’s revocable trust account and executed by two authorized signatories for the trust, Trump’s son Don Jr. and Allen Weisselberg. Both were (and are) Trump Organization executives, the latter being its top financial officer, whom Bragg has been trying to squeeze into implicating Trump. Weisselberg has been detained in Rikers Island for months, following his conviction on minor tax charges, even though he testified for the DA in the prosecution of the Trump organization on those charges. Don Jr. and Weisselberg also signed the second check, drawn on the trust account, for $35,000.
At a certain point, it was determined (it’s not clear by whom) that Trump himself would sign the checks for Cohen — perhaps, the New York Times has speculated, to remove his son from the equation. The then-president did this using a personal account of his The Times, naturally, has a long report on the payments, displaying several of the checks with Trump’s bigger-than-life signature, along with details of what public business he was doing as president the days he signed them. (Don’t hold your breath waiting for the Gray Lady to produce a similar report of what government work Joe Biden was performing while his expanding group of family members and hangers-on transferred the millions they were raking from shady foreign sources tied to corrupt and anti-American regimes, as they cashed in on the then-vice president’s and, later, presidential candidate’s political influence.)
The final payment by Trump to Cohen occurred on December 5, 2017. But that does not necessarily mean the statute of limitations began running that day. Instead, we need to know when the last detail was booked in the Trump business records . . . and then what other records those records generated — for example, did the Trump Organization somehow misstate or miscalculate its tax obligations by representing as legal fees payments to Cohen that were not actually legal expenses?
Let’s reasonably hypothesize that these 2017 payments had bookkeeping implications in 2018, when the 2017 fiscal year was presumably accounted for. Assuming the statute of limitations was thus triggered in 2018, the five-year period would lapse sometime this year. That, at least in part, explains the frenetic investigative activity that has gone on the last few weeks: If the state doesn’t indict soon, the case would be time-barred.
Or . . . it could be time-barred already. Again, the five-year period only applies if Bragg can establish felony falsification of records. The felony calls for proving that Trump was concealing another crime. As I argued in the above-linked column, that is a dubious proposition to say the least. Even if the state can prove that Trump knew these payments to Cohen were, in part, to reimburse him for laying out the Stormy hush money (and there is evidence of that, though much of it relies on Cohen, a not very credible source), the likelihood is that the records were falsified to prevent embarrassment, not to camouflage another trivial bookkeeping or tax infraction. After all, the desire to avoid personal and political damage was the reason the NDA was done in the first place.
If Bragg cannot prove the felony, we are left with misdemeanor falsification of records and the two-year statute of limitations would apply. We don’t know all the accounting facts, but we can probably assume that that has run by now — indeed, it likely lapsed in 2020 or 2021. If it’s just a misdemeanor, Trump is probably right that the case is time-barred.
In any event, an indictment appears imminent. In New York state, important witnesses generally appear before the grand jury (in contrast to the federal system, where prosecutors often convey the witnesses’ information through in the hearsay testimony of a case agent, though the grand jury retains the power to subpoena the first-hand witnesses). The state’s practice also calls for inviting (but not subpoenaing) the target to testify, giving him an opportunity to persuade the grand jury not to indict. There is obvious risk in that, so most targets do not testify.
That invitation usually comes at the end of the grand-jury work, when the full case has been presented. On Monday, Trump’s lawyers’ advised Bragg’s prosecutors that he was declining the invitation to testify this week. Meantime, Cohen did testify on Monday and Wednesday. Stormy Daniels was also interviewed by prosecutors again this week — reportedly indicating that she is ready and willing to testify at trial. The prosecutors may not have a case worth bringing, but they have their ducks in a row to bring it.
If McCarthy is right, maybe Bragg is a white hat.
Posted on 3/18/23 at 8:45 am to sicboy
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She tried to force her way into the chamber of the house of representatives, which was barricaded to keep the mob out.
Yeah that’s a good reason to murder someone.
In many states if you shoot an intruder in your own house you will most likely be charged with murder.
It’s all politics
Posted on 3/18/23 at 8:47 am to Ancient Astronaut
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It’s allegedly for a misdemeanor
The circle jerk going on in this thread over who will nut first to Trump's mug shot, over a misdemeanor that has earned other politicians a fine, really shows how sad the board lefties are. Coming out of the woodwork, and the so called "conservatives" are show their true colors.
Like Trump or not, this should be bigger than anyones dislike for the man.
Posted on 3/18/23 at 8:48 am to TigerDoc
I knew you would be on like donkey kong up in this thread.
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Posted on 3/18/23 at 8:49 am to cajunangelle
And guaranteed it won't be just a regular arrest. They will have a team of officers pointing guns at Trump, Melania and Barron..and then putting cuffs and shackles on trump. He won't be given the opportunity to turn himself in. Will most likely be a pre-dawn event so they can get him in his underwear.
For that pumped up misdemeanor, those cops are gonna act like they're rushing to arrest Hitler.
For that pumped up misdemeanor, those cops are gonna act like they're rushing to arrest Hitler.
Posted on 3/18/23 at 8:49 am to BBONDS25
I agree. But no one will do anything but bitch about it on the internet. Look at what has happened over the last 6-10 years and what has been done about it. Nothing. The American people have just taken it. The majority of Americans care more for that damn basketball tournament right now than they do about this. Americans are sheep.
Posted on 3/18/23 at 8:49 am to SlowFlowPro
Has anyone posted the first arrest will shock the world, yet?


Posted on 3/18/23 at 8:51 am to TigerDoc
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If McCarthy is right
Right about what? What is the other crime he is alleging? Tax fraud? The Manhattan DA has zero jurisdiction over tax issues. The article literally reads as a list of hypotheticals of what “other crime” trump possibly could have committed to justify a felony charge.
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Posted on 3/18/23 at 8:52 am to PUB
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See the response to corrupt Macron in France with now.
Now that is one thing that the French are good at. Raising hell and protesting. Probably the only thing, but they are good at that. Pretty much a worthless country.
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Posted on 3/18/23 at 8:52 am to BBONDS25
I just meant right about Bragg bringing a bad case. That would be a political gift to Trump.
Posted on 3/18/23 at 8:55 am to Northwestern tiger
A) Forcing your way into a federal building with armed guards protecting people trying to certify a not stolen election =/= an intruder in your home.
B) Shooting a home intruder is something you guys cheer on, even hope for that opportunity yourself, amirite?
B) Shooting a home intruder is something you guys cheer on, even hope for that opportunity yourself, amirite?
Posted on 3/18/23 at 8:55 am to cajunangelle
I don’t care. If a criminal can be elected DA of New Orleans, trump can be re-elected as president.
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