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Donald Trump - The Greatest Civics Teacher in Our Nation's History

Posted on 11/14/24 at 8:44 am
Posted by VoxDawg
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Posted on 11/14/24 at 8:44 am


quote:

Announcement:

Just in case you don’t see what’s going on here.

Trump is the greatest “civics teacher” in our country’s history.

This is all about “Senate Confirmation” and whether or not it is “constitutional.”

Trump is literally nominating every single person that the enemy hates and almost all of them are being accused of “not qualified.”

This is purposeful.
Trump wants this fight!!
He wants it to be very public.

Why?

The power belongs to the people and he just won a massive mandate.

All of these candidates, now get to be contrasted with the “preferred” candidates of the establishment.

But it’s way more than that.

This fight is over whether or not a president gets to choose his own cabinet to run the “Executive Branch.”

SEPARATION OF POWERS

Congress will no longer be able to prevent a president elected by the people from fulfilling his promises by appointing the people he needs in place.

Go back in history my friends.

The Senate has encroached on the Executive Branch powers in regards to appointments.

“The framers of the Constitution granted the Senate and the president shared power to appoint judges and civil officers. That shared power remains in place, but the way in which the Senate has exercised that power has changed over the course of its history.
In its first decade, the Senate established the practice of senatorial courtesy, in which senators expected to be consulted on all nominees to federal posts within their states. This influence over filling federal jobs empowered senators, and many became leaders of the political parties that emerged in the early 19th century. By the late 19th century, however, presidents and senators began to clash over control of these lower level positions, prompting some to call for reform of the nomination process. Reformers who distrusted the power of political parties sought to reduce the number of positions subject to political patronage and the advice and consent of the Senate, pushing instead for legislation expanding the professional civil service. Despite these efforts, as the federal government grew in size in the 20th century, the number of appointments subject to Senate confirmation continued to grow until the 1980s, when Congress passed legislation that has gradually reduced the number of positions requiring confirmation.”

LINK

It started out as Senatorial “courtesy.”

Not Senate “APPROVAL.”

Trump is taking us back to the original constitution my friends.

This is the opening salvo of reining in Congressional encroachment on the Executive Branch.
Posted by VoxDawg
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Posted on 11/18/24 at 2:30 pm to
Bumping this from last week because some of our smooth-brained friends on the board don't understand that per the Constitution of the United States, the role of the Senate with respect to Presidential nominees is not what your television tells you it is.
Posted by POTUS2024
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Posted on 11/18/24 at 2:52 pm to
The proposition that Trump is a civics teacher is laughable.

Trump knows nothing about civics and he never will. He doesn't care to know it. He stood there in 2016 and told people he was going to be an advocate for the Second Amendment, for example. What did he do? The exact opposite. "Take the guns first, due process second." Does that sound like a civics teacher? No, it sounds like Dianne Feinstein. And then the bump stock ban. Anyone remember after the election he and Jr said that suppressors were going to be over the counter, no stamp or anything like that? Oh yeah, I remember. Did that ever happen? Of course not. And then he signed off on FISA. Yes, this guy is a real genius when it comes to civics.

The civics lessons come from his followers and now they come from those that flocked to him, like Vivek, that hired some people to go and read 5 USC, because Trump damn sure was never going to do that.

It amazes me that some of you continue to attribute things to Trump that simply are not true. He loves the attention and he loves to campaign. When it's time to work, he's gone.

That's why it took Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh telling people in the morning that they better rush to call the WH switchboard that afternoon because Trump was about to sign a spending bill that gave everything to Democrats and was described as "the end of the country if he signs this thing". Yeah, a real stalwart of civics knowledge.



Posted by VoxDawg
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Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 11/18/24 at 3:03 pm to
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Unhinged diatribe of incoherent NeverTrumper screeching.


Posted by VoxDawg
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Member since Sep 2012
77634 posts
Posted on 11/18/24 at 3:06 pm to
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the day he assumes the position the deep state calls the shots same as it ever was

Posted by OchoDedos
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Posted on 11/18/24 at 3:06 pm to
quote:

friends on the board don't understand that per the Constitution of the United States, the role of the Senate with respect to Presidential nominees is not what your television tells you it is.

Advise and Consent. It's not that hard to understand
Posted by VoxDawg
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Posted on 11/18/24 at 3:14 pm to
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Advise and Consent. It's not that hard to understand


Many folks forget that the original intent of the Senate was to conduct the business of the states, while the House exists to represent the will of the people. Prior to 1913, Senators were appointed by Governors or state legislatures. Senators weren't popularly elected until the ratification of the 17th Amendment. (In just a couple of years, they really fricked us over in 2 consecutive amendments that are the antithesis of what the founders wanted).

From the OP:

quote:

“The framers of the Constitution granted the Senate and the president shared power to appoint judges and civil officers. That shared power remains in place, but the way in which the Senate has exercised that power has changed over the course of its history.

In its first decade, the Senate established the practice of senatorial courtesy, in which senators expected to be consulted on all nominees to federal posts within their states. This influence over filling federal jobs empowered senators, and many became leaders of the political parties that emerged in the early 19th century. By the late 19th century, however, presidents and senators began to clash over control of these lower level positions, prompting some to call for reform of the nomination process. Reformers who distrusted the power of political parties sought to reduce the number of positions subject to political patronage and the advice and consent of the Senate, pushing instead for legislation expanding the professional civil service. Despite these efforts, as the federal government grew in size in the 20th century, the number of appointments subject to Senate confirmation continued to grow until the 1980s, when Congress passed legislation that has gradually reduced the number of positions requiring confirmation.”

LINK

It started out as Senatorial “courtesy.”

Not Senate “APPROVAL.”

Posted by VoxDawg
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Posted on 11/18/24 at 3:15 pm to
quote:

the deep state calls the shots same as it ever was

If they had sufficient power to control him during the 47 era, they'd have been able to stop him before he was reelected again.

They already tried to kill him at least twice this year. That tells a reasonable person that they're quickly running out of runway.
Posted by VoxDawg
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Posted on 11/18/24 at 3:20 pm to
Blackpilled and retarded is no way to go through life, man. Best of luck in your future endeavors.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 11/18/24 at 3:23 pm to
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Many folks forget that the original intent of the Senate


quote:

in 2 consecutive amendments that are the antithesis of what the founders wanted).


The only thing that matters is the founders wanted the Constitution to be amendable. The amendments, by default, don't care what the Founders wanted....and this is the paradigm the Founders wanted.

Posted by Cuz413
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 11/18/24 at 3:30 pm to
quote:

per the Constitution of the United States, the role of the Senate


That changed with the 17th amendment
Posted by SDVTiger
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Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 11/18/24 at 3:32 pm to
You need to contain your sad pathetic melt
Posted by dafif
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Posted on 11/18/24 at 3:34 pm to
Are you bitter? Your ramblings are noted
Posted by Houag80
Member since Jul 2019
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Posted on 11/18/24 at 3:41 pm to
You're a sad little fig.
Posted by RohanGonzales
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Posted on 11/18/24 at 3:47 pm to
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I’m not black pilled Christ is king that’s all you need


so primitive hokum instead
Posted by TrueTiger
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Posted on 11/18/24 at 3:52 pm to
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Advise and Consent.

It doesn't say Consent is mandatory.

Just like asking a girl's father for his consent is traditional, the couple can still get married without it.
Posted by VoxDawg
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Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 11/18/24 at 4:04 pm to
quote:

So all the people downvoting is there anything Trump could do that would cause you to say you know what he lied to us and he’s not a conservative? Because I accepted that late in 2019 and by the end of 2020 I said I’m never supporting this guy again with friends like him who needs enemies

Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
85651 posts
Posted on 11/18/24 at 4:06 pm to
Are we really arguing over what the word “consent” means?

That’s almost as bad as trying to redefine a woman.
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
85651 posts
Posted on 11/18/24 at 4:11 pm to
quote:

It doesn't say Consent is mandatory.

Just like asking a girl's father for his consent is traditional, the couple can still get married without it


quote:

He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate


Give me your best argument on why “By and with the advice and consent” is not mandatory.
Posted by TrueTiger
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Posted on 11/18/24 at 4:19 pm to
Simple. He has to check with them if they are available.

If consent was that big of a deal then they wouldn't have allowed recess appointments.
This post was edited on 11/18/24 at 4:20 pm
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