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re: Don Jr is tweeting about Hunter

Posted on 1/18/20 at 2:15 pm to
Posted by Chief One Word
Eastern Washington State
Member since Mar 2018
4254 posts
Posted on 1/18/20 at 2:15 pm to
Does matter what law Hunter broke or didn't break. Hunter Biden and daddy are doing the shite that the American people see through and are sick and tired of and the reason Trump gets reelected .
Posted by Plx1776
Member since Oct 2017
18129 posts
Posted on 1/18/20 at 2:24 pm to
That's because only accusations against trump or his family, or people connected to him.. are deemed as credible by our corrupt government.

Accusations against anyone else, are deemed as insignificant.
Posted by davyjones
NELA
Member since Feb 2019
35068 posts
Posted on 1/18/20 at 2:24 pm to
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I was surprised it was Rand that said it.

That is notable indeed. IMO anyway.
This post was edited on 1/18/20 at 2:26 pm
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 1/18/20 at 2:30 pm to
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you may not have meant me, but of course no snark intended here.
I was definitely NOT referencing you. I have never seen you make the sort of imbecilic assertion that I described, and I would be very surprised to see you do so. Of course, I would have said the same of Shorty a year ago, so “who knows.”

As recently as yesterday, I opined that the Dems are abusing the impeachment process, and .. yes ... it does annoy me. I did not express this opinion in posts replete with hyperbolic rhetoric, emojis, cursing and capital letters, because that simply is not my style. I am not a “pound on the desk” kind of guy.

On this issue of witness testimony in the Senate, the courtroom lawyer in me says that it should be allowed only if it is truly “new” evidence, and I would trust Roberts to make that call on a less-partisan basis than the body of the Senate, but I doubt they will give him that authority.

Absent ceding authority to Roberts, I do think that a majority vote on any given witness is probably (pragmatically) the best solution, even recognizing that less than a dozen Senators will de facto be making the call.

Specific witnesses? Baby Biden ... I could argue either side, but In a trial without the political implications, there is not one judge in ten who would allow the testimony in an analogous situation. Bolton probably IS relevant, but I question whether the evidence would meet the “new” threshold.
Posted by skinny domino
sebr
Member since Feb 2007
14499 posts
Posted on 1/18/20 at 2:36 pm to
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Can’t wait until he runs in 2024.... there may be Jonestown style mass suicides from liberals. A lot of the country’s sponges will finally be off the tit.

Biden will clean his plow running for reelection in 2024.
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
53666 posts
Posted on 1/18/20 at 2:39 pm to
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Baby Biden was offered and accepted a position for which he had no apparent qualifications. I doubt that any sane individual thinks this was done for any reason other than a hope that it would garner favor with his father and/or a hope that his name would provide the company with same cachet.

Accepting that position simply does not violate the FCPA, which was the assertion to which I responded.


You’ve perfectly illustrated the hypocrisy of the Prog/Dim leftists Skyscreamers who’ve been on Trump’s arse since he beat your girl’s azz. Nothing Trump has done is illegal but if the Dims have any hope to regain the White House they have to twist and contort the facts and the constitution to convince the American people Trump is corrupt.....it’s not working.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 1/18/20 at 2:46 pm to
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would have said the same of Shorty a year ago, so “who knows


quote:


As recently as yesterday, I opined that the Dems are abusing the impeachment process

Yes. We all see your game.

You literally agree 100% with the Democrats on every question in this process........But.......oh, don't actually support impeachment.

It's comical. You act like you invented this tactic when in fact, you're like the 10th person on this board who has used it. VOR being the most appropriate comparative example.

You aren't doing anything new.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 1/18/20 at 2:49 pm to
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Yes. We all see your game
And your insanity lies in the fact that you SEE a “game” where there is none.
Posted by TeLeFaWx
Dallas, TX
Member since Aug 2011
29311 posts
Posted on 1/18/20 at 2:52 pm to
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Who did Baby Biden bribe?


Someone serious enough to which his father had to withhold a billion in aid to cover it up.
This post was edited on 1/18/20 at 2:53 pm
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 1/18/20 at 2:55 pm to
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And your insanity lies in the fact that you SEE a “game” where there is none.
Yes. We get it. It's EVERYONE else, not you.


Calling me insane is cute, but, you know better and we both know it.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 1/18/20 at 2:57 pm to
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And your insanity lies in the fact that you SEE a “game” where there is none.


By the way. Can't help but notice that you didn't even deny that you pretty much 100% agree with the Dems and CNN on this impeachment process...…….oh...……….except for actually impeaching.


THat's because you probably can't cite a single substantive difference you have with them whatsoever. You might as well BE Pelosi pre-"OK, I'll impeach" mode.
Posted by davyjones
NELA
Member since Feb 2019
35068 posts
Posted on 1/18/20 at 2:57 pm to
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Specific witnesses? Baby Biden ... I could argue either side, but In a trial without the political implications, there is not one judge in ten who would allow the testimony in an analogous situation. Bolton probably IS relevant, but I question whether the evidence would meet the “new” threshold.

Then we're on the same page for the most part, but I'd distinguish my thoughts on those two witnesses in this way:

I believe Baby B's testimony is relevant to determine whether there's a basis for reasonable suspicion on the part of Trump, to test legitimacy of Trump's defense along those lines. Questioning such as how and why Hunter landed the Burisma board spot and related inquiry as to his qualifications that only he can answer appropriately. Also whether and to what extent Joe may have had any interactions with Burisma or any of its board members while Hunter was a member. Perhaps inquiry as to Hunter's knowledge and understanding of the nature of any Ukrainian govt investigation of Burisma, specifically Victor Shokin actions and involvement of which Hunter may have been aware.

As for Bolton, as you mentioned I'd like to see/hear anything new that would set his potential testimony apart from the repetitive testimony that we've already heard. I am a bit surprised that we haven't heard some sort of leaked hint/preview of what Bolton has to offer that isn't repetitive. Seems like Dems would have eagerly effected that by now.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 1/18/20 at 3:05 pm to
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I believe Baby B's testimony is relevant to determine whether there's a basis for reasonable suspicion on the part of Trump
Which Hank KNOWS is a perfectly valid point...……...but, he can't admit it because he's got to run interference.

Your entire post is spot on. Hank is full of shite.
Posted by boomtown143
Member since May 2019
9407 posts
Posted on 1/18/20 at 3:07 pm to
FBI/DOJ/CIA/State Dept. needed to be completely cleaned out yesterday.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 1/18/20 at 3:09 pm to
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there is not one judge in ten who would allow the testimony in an analogous situation
A truly absurd assertion.

The entire charge against Trump rests on his motive for wanting the Bidens looked in to. Just ROFLMAO at you people who think you can assert his move was A and then disallow any evidence for why it could have been B.

This post was edited on 1/18/20 at 3:10 pm
Posted by DavidTheGnome
Monroe
Member since Apr 2015
31270 posts
Posted on 1/18/20 at 3:37 pm to
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Um, false

The idea that that the call is a "crime" is predicated on the idea that Trump didn't have any reason to believe an investigation should occur other than "to harm a political opponent".

I realize you whack job frickers on the left seem to think that if you are committing crimes but also running for office, it confers some weird immunity upon you, but that's not real life.




Ok that’s fine let’s not say the call was a crime then. That doesn’t change the point of my post.
Posted by DavidTheGnome
Monroe
Member since Apr 2015
31270 posts
Posted on 1/18/20 at 3:42 pm to
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Hank. Its sort of weird to know that you believe it doesn’t serve a valid national security interest for the President of the United States to determine whether a foreign government was involved in a bribery scheme wherein our own public officials accepted a kickback from a government contract they negotiated with a foreign power, and how that kickback may have affected our national policy.

If this same fact pattern existed in a domestic Federal Contract of any kind-it is De facto illegal. Meaning, simply the fact that a blood relative of a sitting public official in charge of setting the policy at issue, benefited from the contract. Not just illegal. But a felony.

To me, it’s fricking WORSE than if Hunter Biden (a cokehead with no demonstrable ethics) provably profited from some domestic construction project and potentially laundered payments that he held on to until his dad was no longer VP. Hunter Biden demonstrably profited from a transaction for which he potentially laundered money to hold for his dad who was negotating our foreign policy.

This is so shitty and awful I cannot stand it. I don’t think it was in any way appropriate for Trump to ask for an investigation of the Bidens- I WANT THESE SHADY BASTARDS INVESTIGATED. CRiminally.



I think that’s what many aren’t understanding though, no one is saying Hunter is a good guy or that there wasn’t corruption involved. If Trump wanted it investigated he should have notified US law enforcement to do so. Especially since it directly relates to a political opponent of his. No one (almost no one, I’m sure there are idiots out there that do) is excusing Hunter or saying that he’s not corrupt or that it shouldn’t be looked into.
Posted by davyjones
NELA
Member since Feb 2019
35068 posts
Posted on 1/18/20 at 3:48 pm to
Yes, Hunter's testimony is quite relevant IF guilt or not of the abuse of power allegations hinge on (spoiler: they do) whether Trump had valid basis for reasonable suspicion of potential corruption involving Biden/Biden/Burisma/Shokin....or no legit basis meaning Trump has no valid defense.

From my post above:

I believe Baby B's testimony is relevant to determine whether there's a basis for reasonable suspicion on the part of Trump, to test legitimacy of Trump's defense along those lines. Questioning such as how and why Hunter landed the Burisma board spot and related inquiry as to his qualifications that only he can answer appropriately. Also whether and to what extent Joe may have had any interactions with Burisma or any of its board members while Hunter was a member. Perhaps inquiry as to Hunter's knowledge and understanding of the nature of any Ukrainian govt investigation of Burisma, specifically Victor Shokin actions and involvement of which Hunter may have been aware.
Posted by 20 ton
BR
Member since Aug 2013
936 posts
Posted on 1/18/20 at 3:51 pm to
The US supplied well over a Billion in aid to help the Ukrainian gas industry. Who was the point man for this money. Joe of course. If you wanted to launder a nice kick back, I can’t think of a better way than a no show job paying ten times what Exxon pays its board members.

How much time did Hunter spend improving Burisma’s business model. How many meetings did he attend for a million a year.

Obama’s state Department thought it had poor optics’s and prepared amb. Y for her confirmation. I have no proof of any actual crime but if Hunter wanted this easy money he should be prepared to be investigated.

I believe many investigations conducted by Obama holdover swamp rats need to be reinvesttgated by high character prosecutors from outside the Beltway. How many of us could destroy evidence and get away with it. How about continually leaking classified information for obviously political gain.
Posted by DavidTheGnome
Monroe
Member since Apr 2015
31270 posts
Posted on 1/18/20 at 3:51 pm to
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Yes, Hunter's testimony is quite relevant IF guilt or not of the abuse of power allegations hinge on (spoiler: they do) whether Trump had valid basis for reasonable suspicion of potential corruption involving Biden/Biden/Burisma/Shokin....or no legit basis meaning Trump has no valid defense.



Whether there's valid basis or not is irrelevant. I’m sure Trump did believe Hunter was corrupt as does most sane Americans. He should have went through the justice department to investigate though, especially given the ties to his political opponent.
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