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Posted on 7/20/22 at 1:48 pm to upgrayedd
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Tell us how much money the Clinton Foundation/Global Initiative got from these ME countries
Trying to rationalize with people who support this and pedophiles is really a waste of time. Seriously.
Idiots like the OP don't give two shits about the corruption the DC uniparty has complete control of. Nope. A guy that was in office for four whole years is what you need to pay attention to.
Posted on 7/20/22 at 1:55 pm to TheQuestioner
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I'm asking for direct evidence of corruption which is what you were alleging.
There is significant evidence. If you wish to ignore it, thats fine. Does it require an actual investigation to prove anything beyond a doubt - yes.
Its a legitimate response to the OP asking if i care about an actual businessman’s business dealings.
One atleast has the appearance of being legit - guy who owns golf courses doing business with a new gold brand. While the other family does not appear to have any legitimate reason to be doing international business other than to peddle influence.
If you don’t care about either one, then congrats. But you sure are posting an awful lot for someone who “don’t give a shite”
Posted on 7/20/22 at 2:08 pm to LSUnation78
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If you don’t care about either one, then congrats. But you sure are posting an awful lot for someone who “don’t give a shite”
I enjoy arguing/debating.
That has less to do with the topic of discussion, more to do with me arguing.
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Does it require an actual investigation to prove anything beyond a doubt - yes.
Which it is being investigated by the Delaware state attorney and so far Biden has not been implicated.
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One atleast has the appearance of being legit - guy who owns golf courses doing business with a new gold brand. While the other family does not appear to have any legitimate reason to be doing international business other than to peddle influence.
I mean Hunter was technically a partner at a financial firm. One could excuse the international dealings in the same way.
Posted on 7/20/22 at 2:16 pm to Wisdomcries
quote:So you are a saint or a Fed?
I’m always going to glow brother… the Spirit will do that to a man
On the Saint part. I'm gonna go ahead and say...
Does the Fed created militia's budget buy the tiki torches in bulk from Dollar General or Wal-Mart? Or dumbass govt money wasters buy from Lowe's?
> 
According to Point Blank’s website, they note they are one of the first companies in the US to design and manufacture body armor, saying they are “the premier source of body armor systems in the world.”
They further note they have “long-standing relationships with the most prestigious and demanding law enforcement agencies, federal agencies and the United States Department of Defense.”
Your twitter bot got busted
LINK
This post was edited on 7/20/22 at 2:18 pm
Posted on 7/20/22 at 2:17 pm to mmcgrath
You mean because he’s still the president?
Posted on 7/20/22 at 2:22 pm to mmcgrath
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Does Trump's ties to Saudi / LIV Golf bother anyone?
No, Hillary's ties to selling Uranium to Russia, paying to frame Trump, and her actions in Haiti bother me
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he seems to be involving himself monetarily with a foreign power
That's what businessmen do and it's not illegal. Now, funneling money through Ukraine that is taxpayer money and being bought and paid for by China.....that would be concerning. But then when you confront that, you get impeached by the braindead Dims, of which, you are one.
Posted on 7/20/22 at 2:26 pm to cajunangelle
I don’t even know what to say to the
Clown show you just posted except to agree with you that most those
Guys are probably feds. Anything else?
Clown show you just posted except to agree with you that most those
Guys are probably feds. Anything else?
Posted on 7/20/22 at 2:36 pm to TheQuestioner
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Trump shouldn't be starting investigations. The DoJ should be starting investigations, not the president.
Presidents call upon the DOJ for investigations ALL THE TIME. As they should.
Especially when the investigation will involve the cooperation of a foreign government. Clinton ratified a treaty specifically around these issues with respect to Ukrainian corrution.
Congress.gov
from the call transcript:
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I would like to have the Attorney General call you or your people and I would like you to get to the bottom of it.
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I will ask him to call you along with the Attorney General.
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I will have Mr. Giuliani give you a call and I am also going to have Attorney General Barr call and we will get to the bottom of it.
The Attorney General at the time, had confirmed the development of an "intake process" of evidence regarding this charge, but was ultimately termed out months later when Biden won the election.
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He was impeached because he tried to exchange aid for a Ukrainian investigation into Biden. That's why he was impeached
Except, once again, he didnt. And we know he didnt because we have the official transcript of the call.
CNN AIDS LINK
But we know Biden did this as VP a few year prior, since he stupidly bragged about it on camera. No impeachments though. Odd, right?
You keep offering your opinion as fact. President shouldnt call for investigations....Foreign leaders should attend private events... Hunters drugs shouldnt be felonies....That doesnt fly any higher than your insane equivalence of presidential vetting to federal criminal investigations.
This post was edited on 7/20/22 at 2:54 pm
Posted on 7/20/22 at 2:37 pm to TheQuestioner
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I enjoy arguing/debating.
You are only doing one of these things. See if you can guess which one
Posted on 7/20/22 at 2:56 pm to TheQuestioner
Die? Lol
Stupid progstains.
Biden is corrupt. You know it.
Just stop.
Stupid progstains.
Biden is corrupt. You know it.
Just stop.
Posted on 7/20/22 at 3:01 pm to Vacherie Saint
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You are only doing one of these things. See if you can guess which one
It makes no difference to me.
It's a matter of semantics.
I guess you could argue debating requires a worthy opponent of which you guys are not so fair enough.
Posted on 7/20/22 at 3:17 pm to Vacherie Saint
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Presidents call upon the DOJ for investigations ALL THE TIME. As they should.
No, they shouldn't.
LINK
The DOJ is meant to be independent of the president. I'm not sure where the idea that the president should call the DOJ to investigate things comes from. That goes against the very principle that the DOJ should be non-partisan.
The president shouldn't 'pick and choose individual cases' based on their political opponents.
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from the call transcript:
Can you imagine the partisan investigations if the DOJ was not independent?
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Especially when the investigation will involve the cooperation of a foreign government.
Trump wasn't asking for an investigation because he cared about national security, he was calling for an investigation because he wanted political dirt on Biden.
1. The investigation started because of a CIA whistleblower.
2. The quid pro quo was corroborated by both foreign and domestic diplomats.
3. The transcript itself was modified and you citing it as exculpating Trump is beyond laughable.
This transcript? The transcript that was modified?
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from the call transcript:
We have evidence from Trump's own diplomat:
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After the impeachment inquiry began, Trump publicly urged Ukraine and China to investigate the Bidens.
Bill Taylor, the Trump administration's top diplomat to Ukraine, testified that he was told that U.S. military aid to Ukraine and a Trump–Zelenskyy White House meeting were conditioned on Zelenskyy publicly announcing investigations into the Bidens and alleged Ukrainian interference in the 2016 U.S. elections.
United States Ambassador to the European Union Gordon Sondland testified that he worked with Giuliani at Trump's "express direction" to arrange a quid pro quo with the Ukraine government.[38]
So get out of here with the 'we have the transcript of the call' because multiple diplomats corroborated the 'quid pro quo' angle.
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Except, once again, he didnt. And we know he didnt because we have the official transcript of the call.
Your argument is a transcript that Trump's own officials believe to be heavily modified. Get out of here.
LINK
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You keep offering your opinion as fact. President shouldnt call for investigations....Foreign leaders should attend private events... Hunters drugs shouldnt be felonies....That doesnt fly any higher than your insane equivalence of presidential vetting to federal criminal investigations.
Uh.. what?
DOJ independence is not an opinion. I'm not sure why you'd think it's an opinion.
The rest of what you've said is completely worthless. You've made allegations against Biden that you've not backed up with any evidence. You've then tried to use a transcript that was widely modified as evidence that Trump didn't engage in a quid pro quo when his own officials disputed that.
We have testimony from Trump's own officials that corroborate a heavily modified transcript (so this is not admissible evidence) and the quid pro quo angle.
So in short, this isn't a great point from you. My entire argument is that alleging Biden did something wrong when an investigation hasn't found him guilty.
And your entire equivalence of co-operation of a foreign government to Trump withdrawing aid in return for Ukraine investigating a political opponent is insanity.
That's beyond idiotic. There's a clear political quid pro quo and it's not at all the same as seeking co-operation in an investigation. Nice try.
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That doesnt fly any higher than your insane equivalence of presidential vetting to federal criminal investigations.
I'm not sure where you're getting that from.
Biden has been investigated through the Hunter Biden angle by a federal investigation. My point was, your allegation is as good as my allegation. It's entirely worthless.
But most of all, what's shocking is you seriously tried to argue that Trump trying to withhold aid in return for an investigation of a political opponent is the same as only 'seeking co-operation on an investigation'. Hmm... when Trump officials themselves corroborate testimony, you've argued yourself into a corner.
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Foreign leaders should attend private events..
Did I say that? I'm fairly sure I didn't.
I said a foreign leader attending a private business event of the son of the US president has the appearance of impropriety, much like the 'appearance of impropriety' that Eric Trump referred to about Biden.
This post was edited on 7/20/22 at 3:24 pm
Posted on 7/20/22 at 3:19 pm to Wisdomcries
Not a very Christian response from you.
Posted on 7/20/22 at 3:19 pm to TheQuestioner
Lol
Progstain/DR
Go play with your cats.
Progstain/DR
Go play with your cats.
Posted on 7/20/22 at 3:20 pm to TheQuestioner
Keep raising that white flag you incompetent buffoon.
Posted on 7/20/22 at 3:22 pm to Cromulent
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Keep raising that white flag you incompetent buffoon.
No white flag here.
Only laughter that you guys seriously think you were making points that you could justify.
Posted on 7/20/22 at 3:23 pm to Cromulent
That’s okay. We all get out our godly character from time to time. :)
Posted on 7/20/22 at 3:31 pm to Wisdomcries
Busted. Back to back postings and joined within 2 days of each other. Goodbye
And you are no man of Christ.
And you are no man of Christ.
Posted on 7/20/22 at 3:38 pm to TheQuestioner
I dont even know where to start here.
Your angle is, that the whistleblower who never heard the call, and a few lib loyalist diplomats who offered their personal interpretations of known language are to be believed, but Zelensky, Trump (in their own words and by their own intentions), and literally everyone else involved arent? And the transcript that shows they are full of shite is of course "modified" LOL. Of course it is! The real version is sitting next to Schiff's collusion evidence. Complete with NYT link!
Get this shite the frick out of here, junior. You are just stomping your size 6.5 yeezy and insisting a load of political lawfare was real, while ignoring Biden violating the same "code" on camera in the most obnoxiously brazen way possible.
There's no way you are a real person.
Your angle is, that the whistleblower who never heard the call, and a few lib loyalist diplomats who offered their personal interpretations of known language are to be believed, but Zelensky, Trump (in their own words and by their own intentions), and literally everyone else involved arent? And the transcript that shows they are full of shite is of course "modified" LOL. Of course it is! The real version is sitting next to Schiff's collusion evidence. Complete with NYT link!
Get this shite the frick out of here, junior. You are just stomping your size 6.5 yeezy and insisting a load of political lawfare was real, while ignoring Biden violating the same "code" on camera in the most obnoxiously brazen way possible.
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Can you imagine the partisan investigations if the DOJ was not independent?
There's no way you are a real person.
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