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re: Does Trump deserve any blame for the 2020 election outcome?
Posted on 8/9/23 at 1:19 pm to roadGator
Posted on 8/9/23 at 1:19 pm to roadGator
quote:Not much. The executive is pretty weak, and almost anything he does can be undone by the next President in the first day of office. We saw that with Biden. Trump would need serious legislative help.
I’m still wondering what he can do to go scorched earth.
But that climate is continuing to get worse as he attacks conservatives, praises, and parrots democrats in order to attack Desantis.
Seems like a weird strategy to ruin your legislative relationships and down-ballot races over a candidate that is so terrible he "can't possibly win" and has no chance.
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Posted on 8/9/23 at 1:19 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
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He thought he was going to win. Why do any other work?
don't the results speak for themselves?
Posted on 8/9/23 at 1:22 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
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He thought he was going to win. Why do any other work?
Trump literally said in an interview with Brett Baier that he had very little interest in ballot harvesting because he won in 2020 and was cheated.
This post was edited on 8/9/23 at 1:23 pm
Posted on 8/9/23 at 1:22 pm to Fun Bunch
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I know you guys think this is a point, but it isn't. Biden's alleged 81 million votes would rank 30th when adjusted for Population and Turnout. 30th.
I know you think this is a point, but it isn’t. I was talking about Trump’s votes, which is at a bare minimum the number of people he convinced to step into a voting booth and vote for him, which is more than any candidate has ever had vote for him. Joe has several million fraudulent votes, and everyone knows it. And there is a very high likelihood that Trump’s vote totals were reduced, to help with the optics of having more votes than voters, since so many of Joe’s votes were on paper only.
This post was edited on 8/9/23 at 1:27 pm
Posted on 8/9/23 at 1:22 pm to Fun Bunch
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There is one candidate that is spending a tremendous amount of money currently on ground game, ballot harvesting network, get out the vote teams, mail in awareness etc.
I think you can guess who that candidate is.
That is great and I am a fan of him.
What does that have to do with election fraud?
Posted on 8/9/23 at 1:24 pm to deathvalleytiger10
It has to do with realities and actual things that can be accomplished, not chasing chimeras
Posted on 8/9/23 at 1:24 pm to PorkSammich
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he was in office during it and was complaining about mail-in voting months before.
I don't think he can be responsible for the actions of his political opponents.
I may be wrong, but the states decide how they execute voting and the Federal government has no say so.....???
Posted on 8/9/23 at 1:25 pm to PorkSammich
quote:He either lost fairly or he lost unfairly under his watch
Does Trump deserve any blame for the 2020 election outcome?
Move on from this baby back bitch, losers
Posted on 8/9/23 at 1:26 pm to Fun Bunch
If the fraud is not stopped, none of that will matter.
Posted on 8/9/23 at 1:27 pm to PorkSammich
Its never Trump's fault. NEVER
Posted on 8/9/23 at 1:30 pm to RemouladeSawce
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He either lost fairly or he lost unfairly under his watch Move on from this baby back bitch, losers
Trump or no Trump, unless the fraud of the 2020 election is acknowledged, fixed by law and in the courts, and the perpetrators punished, we will never have another legitimate election in this country.
Posted on 8/9/23 at 1:31 pm to troyt37
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Is that the reason he received more (legal) votes for president than any human in the history of the country
Not a clue, but that is a totally meaningless statistic regardless.
Higher voter turnout = more votes.
Posted on 8/9/23 at 1:32 pm to Gifman
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Yes, 100%. He underestimated how much ballot harvesting would matter and didn't do the same. That alone cost him. He didn't adapt to the VERY new voting rules (as a result of the covid scam).
I'm sorry he was the candidate. He is out shaking hands and giving speeches. He has operatives in every state plus an RNC that dropped the ball.
The real question is were they trying to get rid of Trump in 2020. Because someone on the ground should have seen something happening.
Posted on 8/9/23 at 1:34 pm to troyt37
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Trump or no Trump, unless the fraud of the 2020 election is acknowledged, fixed by law and in the courts, and the perpetrators punished, we will never have another legitimate election in this country.
Cool. Then you've already given up. Do us a favor and leave.
There will never be any "overturning" or fixing of the 2020 election. Donald Trump, his retard lawyers and people like Mike Lindell poisoned the well with lies and total nonsense in the weeks after that election. That stupid shite prevented any reasonable or fact-based assessment of what happened and why.
It is completely and totally over. Continuing to campaign on it will only result in more losses.
This post was edited on 8/9/23 at 1:35 pm
Posted on 8/9/23 at 1:34 pm to PorkSammich
Trump didn't cheat, commit fraud, recruit thousands of mules or enlist phantoms, dead people and illegal voters. The dems did all of those things to the extreme to compensate for what happened to them in 2016.
Biden got "81 million votes."
Biden got "81 million votes."
Posted on 8/9/23 at 1:38 pm to Indefatigable
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Not a clue, but that is a totally meaningless statistic regardless. Higher voter turnout = more votes.
Meaningless to people like you, maybe. For people like me, it means we have had our right to choose our representation violated. It means we are no longer a representative republic. It means there is no rule of law. It means the end of this country as we know it. The difference being, I would be saying the exact same thing if it were Trump and the republicans who perpetrated the fraud.
Posted on 8/9/23 at 1:40 pm to deathvalleytiger10
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If the fraud is not stopped, none of that will matter.
I mean this as no offense because I see it constantly.
But this is loser talk for people resigned to the fact that Trump will lose again in 2024 like he did in 2020, and giving themselves an excuse for their poor choice.
We will not lose if we pick someone better.
Posted on 8/9/23 at 1:42 pm to Indefatigable
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Cool. Then you've already given up. Do us a favor and leave.
Do you a favor? Listen to yourself.
Posted on 8/9/23 at 1:47 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
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re: Does Trump deserve any blame for the 2020 election outcome?Posted on 8/9/23 at 11:42 am to PorkSammich
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Absolutely, I think there is always more one could have done, and opportunities for reflection where he and his campaign could have done better
currently Trump says to use mail and also ballot harvesting where legal.
too late for 2020. admission the 2020 loss was 100% on him.
Posted on 8/9/23 at 1:53 pm to PorkSammich
Hello Mr. AI Bot man......
NO! Donald Trump was not to blame for his loss in 2020. He interrupted the flow of money to the crooks in Washington. Mostly money from the ChiComs for influence peddling. He had to go.
Plus the warmongering money-hungry globalist didn't like it when he started pulling our troops back from bases throughout the world. Did you know America has 800+ military bases throughout the world? Russia has one. And you wonder why the DOD budget in near 1 trillion?
The final straw for the Globalist? Trump announced his "America First" initiative. No way they were going to allow that initiative to produce positive results here.
Do you cringe? Remember this, you and your sons (and daughters) are nothing but cannon fodder for the deep pocketed Globalists and their UN pals.
The Ukrainians are learning that hard lesson right now as they are being ground up like hamburger by Russian artillery. They've lost between 300 - 350 thousand men in Joe Biden's Proxy War. Ouch!
They stole that 2020 Presidential Election. We know they stole it, and they know they stole it. Now we know HOW they stole it.
Let's Go, Brandon!!
NO! Donald Trump was not to blame for his loss in 2020. He interrupted the flow of money to the crooks in Washington. Mostly money from the ChiComs for influence peddling. He had to go.
Plus the warmongering money-hungry globalist didn't like it when he started pulling our troops back from bases throughout the world. Did you know America has 800+ military bases throughout the world? Russia has one. And you wonder why the DOD budget in near 1 trillion?
The final straw for the Globalist? Trump announced his "America First" initiative. No way they were going to allow that initiative to produce positive results here.
Do you cringe? Remember this, you and your sons (and daughters) are nothing but cannon fodder for the deep pocketed Globalists and their UN pals.
The Ukrainians are learning that hard lesson right now as they are being ground up like hamburger by Russian artillery. They've lost between 300 - 350 thousand men in Joe Biden's Proxy War. Ouch!
They stole that 2020 Presidential Election. We know they stole it, and they know they stole it. Now we know HOW they stole it.
Let's Go, Brandon!!
This post was edited on 8/10/23 at 4:05 pm
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