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re: Does this silly cartoon explain what's wrong with Identity Politics?
Posted on 12/27/17 at 8:38 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 12/27/17 at 8:38 am to SlowFlowPro
It’s hard for me to believe you’re serious with this shite.
SFP, tell me what cultural differences explain all cornerbacks and wide receivers in the NFL being black. I’d like one of my boys to do that one day, so I’m going to go all out on environmental influences.
SFP, tell me what cultural differences explain all cornerbacks and wide receivers in the NFL being black. I’d like one of my boys to do that one day, so I’m going to go all out on environmental influences.
This post was edited on 12/27/17 at 8:44 am
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Posted on 12/27/17 at 8:44 am to BigEdLSU
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For all you know black people played a major role in ancient advanced civilizations. But that's a different discussion on whether or not you believe the history they spoonfeed us.
White historians always try to say that the aliens built the pyramids to discredit melanated peoples. None of them will admit that the aliens were black too
Posted on 12/27/17 at 8:44 am to BigEdLSU
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Unfair advantage again of gunpowder.
Chinese invention.
Posted on 12/27/17 at 8:47 am to SlowFlowPro
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SSA simply didn't have this competition because none had the need to develop to that level.
necessity is the mother of invention
when you live on barren glaciers, you had better get clever or die
Posted on 12/27/17 at 8:49 am to TrueTiger
well to be fair, a better example is living in deserts void of water 
Posted on 12/27/17 at 8:51 am to BigEdLSU
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No they say it's because of a stacked deck created by having majority
Except they apply the meme worldwide and whites aren't a worldwide majority
Posted on 12/27/17 at 8:54 am to uway
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SFP, tell me what cultural differences explain all cornerbacks and wide receivers in the NFL being black. I’d like one of my boys to do that one day, so I’m going to go all out on environmental influences.
you do realize that that your sweeping generalization does not apply to "all black people", right?
that's like saying Jews are stronger than black people by using the example of Northern Europeans (who are genetically predisposed to be huge and strong)
the traits you're describing (explosive, anaerobic movements) are from a very specific portion of West Africa, which happened to be the very area where Europeans focused their efforts in the slave trade. this means that the traits of black people in the Americas/Caribbean and Europe are descendants of this specific group. it's a very biased sample that in no way applies to "black people" as a single group
if we had enslaved people from east or southern Africa, the traits we consider "black" would be very, very different
and none of this has anything to do with intelligence or how to develop it across societies, which is much easier to do
This post was edited on 12/27/17 at 8:54 am
Posted on 12/27/17 at 8:54 am to SlowFlowPro
fair enough, of course sub saharan africa is not a desert
it's also strange that SSA has thousands of miles of ocean coast and no one thought of building an ocean going ship
it's also strange that SSA has thousands of miles of ocean coast and no one thought of building an ocean going ship
Posted on 12/27/17 at 8:54 am to bmy
quote:Only if you use an arbitrary starting point.
it's pretty much undeniable if you look at history.
If you look at ALL of history, then, the idea becomes silly.
Posted on 12/27/17 at 8:57 am to TrueTiger
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it's also strange that SSA has thousands of miles of ocean coast and no one thought of building an ocean going
I realize that it's considered impolite to even ask or study such things, but, for stuff like this, I like to ask myself what an alien observing for the last 5000 years would have thought. An alien with no real concept of "race"?
I think if we're being honest, we know what conclusions such a being would draw.
The modern excuse mongering notwithstanding, there are CLEARLY actual differences among the races and, each has favorable differences in given arenas.
Unfortunately for some, certain favorable differences provided greater advantage than others.
Posted on 12/27/17 at 8:58 am to TrueTiger
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it's also strange that SSA has thousands of miles of ocean coast and no one thought of building an ocean going ship
let's be fair, that wasn't exactly common, even in the developed West, until relatively recently
the Chinese are the people who had international sailing ships that even reached the East coast of Africa
North Africa and some of the coastal areas in the East (like Ethiopia) were markedly advanced compared to the interior or SSA
Posted on 12/27/17 at 8:59 am to SlowFlowPro
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which happened to be the very area where Europeans focused their efforts in the slave trade.
they didn't bring the pymys to the new world
Posted on 12/27/17 at 9:09 am to SlowFlowPro
Hardcore racists believe blacks should be treated badly because they are inferior.
Hardcore leftists believe blacks should be given special treatment because they are inferior.
Hardcore leftists believe blacks should be given special treatment because they are inferior.
Posted on 12/27/17 at 9:10 am to SlowFlowPro
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SFP, tell me what cultural differences explain all cornerbacks and wide receivers in the NFL being black. I’d like one of my boys to do that one day, so I’m going to go all out on environmental influences.
you do realize that that your sweeping generalization does not apply to "all black people", right?
that's like saying Jews are stronger than black people by using the example of Northern Europeans (who are genetically predisposed to be huge and strong)
the traits you're describing (explosive, anaerobic movements) are from a very specific portion of West Africa, which happened to be the very area where Europeans focused their efforts in the slave trade. this means that the traits of black people in the Americas/Caribbean and Europe are descendants of this specific group. it's a very biased sample that in no way applies to "black people" as a single group
if we had enslaved people from east or southern Africa, the traits we consider "black" would be very, very different
and none of this has anything to do with intelligence or how to develop it across societies, which is much easier to do
Not only were they chosen out of west africa which may have had a selectively progressed explosive, anaerobic trait due to environment and culture, but they were selectively bred in the US and Europe for hard manual labor. The weak ones were cast away like garbage and the strong survived. If you took the pacific islanders and sped the breeding over 100 years to be superior at football, and then allowed them to repopulate quickly using the advantages of western civilization, there would be majority pacific islanders playing in the NFL.
Environmental factors and culture over time is expressed in traits through natural selection in humans. I'm sure someone smarter than myself can explain why the Western culture of industriousness developed in Europeans, but it's likely pretty nuanced.
The color of your skin is not the advantage, it's the culture and environment over time that creates your selected advantaged (and disadvantaged) traits. It's why we should be hippies and all love each other and mix races and encourage the better traits to succeed. This is where liberals are dumb because they discourage the advantages of Western Civilization, when they should be encouraging all races to embrace it.
Posted on 12/27/17 at 9:13 am to Ace Midnight
Stolen by the white man and used to enslave the world
Posted on 12/27/17 at 9:20 am to SlowFlowPro
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the traits you're describing (explosive, anaerobic movements) are from a very specific portion of West Africa,
You’re reinforcing my belief that genetics matter.
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nd none of this has anything to do with intelligence or how to develop it across societies, which is much easier to do
So that’s the argument? That intelligence is the one heritable trait that can quickly be fixed by culture? That seems incredible to me.
I’m not saying environment doesn’t matter. Long-term environment is what caused statistically significant differences in traits between races, but those evolved over millennia. You’re not going to fix it in a few generations.
Posted on 12/27/17 at 9:22 am to uway
It's a combination of nature and nurture tbh it's not exclusively one or the other.
Posted on 12/27/17 at 9:26 am to BigEdLSU
It’s not a conscious choice for any group to create societal conditions that favor them. Groups strive to survive and succeed in ways that are easiest for them to accomplish, and by default we end up with a society that favors that group.
It’s idiocy then for any other group to walk in after the fact and complain that the game is rigged against them. They’re effectively waiting for society to change so that it benefits them, and there’s no benefit to the majority to make those changes.
Of course it’s not a global rule for people of African heritage. Many have adapted themselves to succeed in the society as it exists, as have most with east Asian heritage.
It’s idiocy then for any other group to walk in after the fact and complain that the game is rigged against them. They’re effectively waiting for society to change so that it benefits them, and there’s no benefit to the majority to make those changes.
Of course it’s not a global rule for people of African heritage. Many have adapted themselves to succeed in the society as it exists, as have most with east Asian heritage.
Posted on 12/27/17 at 12:22 pm to TheArrogantCorndog
quote:this is what i've tried to tell people. romans during the roman empire had "roman privilege." etc. the conquerors inherently have "privilege."
That's called majority privilege... and it's the basis of all cultures... the majority benefit
maybe you have a problem with "might makes right." if you do, i feel for you. it's basically how the world has always worked and if you can't come to terms with that, you're going to be miserable (and they are miserable).
even so, america is a country founded on individual liberty and no country in history has fought to defend it like america has. so in a sense, you have "american privilege."
Posted on 12/27/17 at 12:38 pm to bhtigerfan
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Those who see people of certain races as inferior beings are of the same mindset
White supremacist and white liberals/SJW's both see blacks as inferior.
Yep, exactly. That's why the myth that "racist democrats went republican" is easily spotted. The Democrat party changed tactics, not outcomes.
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