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re: Does this align with being pro-life? Louisiana refuses summer meal assistance for kids

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Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 1/25/24 at 1:24 pm to
Are you implying that people get arrested for smoking weed days after they smoke weed? Or arrested for prostitution weeks later?

it has long been proven that negative reinforcement only impacts behavior when the consequences are immediate.

If someone smokes weed and is arrested while they are smoking, the consequences would be more likely to impact future behavior.
Posted by oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
27194 posts
Posted on 1/25/24 at 1:26 pm to
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it has long been proven that negative reinforcement only impacts behavior when the consequences are immediate.


Go ahead, show us a few legit studies GERMAINE to this conversation, proving this assertion.

Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 1/25/24 at 1:27 pm to
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Parents should feed their own kids

That's right. And if they don't do it, those kids deserve to die painful deaths.

That'll show 'em.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
138920 posts
Posted on 1/25/24 at 1:33 pm to
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Are you implying that people get arrested for smoking weed days after they smoke weed? Or arrested for prostitution weeks later?
No.

I'm not implying anything. I am telling you point blank that in Seattle, people smoke reefers in public. In Charleston, they don't. The difference in behavior is entirely due to differences in law. The Charleston reticence is not d/t immediate arrest. It is d/t the possibility of arrest.

Posted by oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
27194 posts
Posted on 1/25/24 at 1:36 pm to
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That's right. And if they don't do it, those kids deserve to die painful deaths.

That'll show 'em.


Stupid attempt at a gotcha, but at least you've outed yourself as someone who is ok with the fact that millions of kids will suffer in the future because idiots like you don't actually WANT to solve these problems....
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 1/25/24 at 1:44 pm to
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gotcha

I love how you people somehow think that invalidates a position.
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you've outed yourself as someone who is ok with the fact that millions of kids will suffer in the future because idiots like you don't actually WANT to solve these problems

I don't even know what you're trying to say there.

Making kids suffer for their parents shortcomings is the only way those children will learn.

Posted by oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
27194 posts
Posted on 1/25/24 at 1:50 pm to
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I don't even know what you're trying to say there.


Obviously......
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
13485 posts
Posted on 1/25/24 at 1:52 pm to
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Are you stupid?


Yes.

And dishonest.
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 1/25/24 at 2:00 pm to
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You know how I know laws work? Because if there were no laws and I ever met you in person, I would punch you in the face. Hard. But because I would go to jail and probably also prison for doing so, i wouldn't, because you wouldn't be worth all that.

It would probably be the only thing preventing it, though.

So, wackatimesthree, you'd hit women except that there are laws prohibiting it.

And here's the problem with America today, too many people rely on the government telling them what they can and can't do instead of relying on their own God-given sense of right and wrong to guide their actions.

I don't care what the law says, I don't hit women. It's wrong.
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 1/25/24 at 2:03 pm to
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you've outed yourself as someone who is ok with the fact that millions of kids will suffer

You seriously said that after I said:
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those kids deserve to die painful deaths.

?

Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
138920 posts
Posted on 1/25/24 at 2:10 pm to
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I don't care what the law says, I don't hit women. It's wrong.
I agree, but mores change.

"I don't think there is anything particularly wrong about hitting a woman, although I don't recommend doing it in the same way that you'd hit a man. If all other alternatives fail and there has been plenty of warning, if a woman is a bitch, or hysterical, or bloody-minded continually, then I'd do it."
– Sean Connery, 1965

"But I was really saying that to slap a woman was not the crudest thing you can do to her. I said that in my book—it's much more cruel to psychologically damage somebody... to put them in such distress that they really come to hate themselves. Sometimes there are women who take it to the wire. That's what they're looking for, the ultimate confrontation—they want a smack."
– Sean Connery, 1993
Posted by Lightning
Texas
Member since May 2014
3118 posts
Posted on 1/25/24 at 2:20 pm to
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Interesting chart. Let's look at this one:



That red line starts declining rapidly in the early 1960s? In 1963, JFK signed the Community Mental Health Act, intending to shift the treatment of mentally ill people from state funded residential psychiatric hospitals to federally funded community health centers. But he was assassinated a few weeks later and those community health centers were never funded. States did start shutting down their mental hospitals though.

In 1965, Medicaid came into existence, which specifically excluded in-patient psychiatric care from federal reimbursement, but would partially reimburse nursing home care. By 1980, 44% of all nursing home patients had severe mental illness. But new laws also made involuntary commitment more difficult, so many former psychiatric hospitals residents instead became homeless.

That blue line starts rising rapidly in the early 1980s? In 1981, Reagan signed the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act, shifting the financial care of the mentally ill back to states... which had already closed the majority of their mental institutions and had limited power to commit psychiatric patients to them even if they had still existed.


SO to answer your question:
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If laws discouraged anti-social behavior, why has anti-social behavior increased exponentially?


There has always and will always exist a segment of society that cannot function safely in society, whether by their own choice or due to mental capacity. For 60 years now, we have been in the process of moving those people from mental health institutions to prison institutions. Which is why the total population of institutionalized ends up roughly right back where it was before we started this social experiment.
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 1/25/24 at 2:36 pm to
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In 1981, Reagan signed the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act

That's not the only thing that happened in the early 80s, Reagan declared a War on Drugs. By 1990 most states had mandatory minimum sentences for drug offenses.





Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
61407 posts
Posted on 1/25/24 at 3:16 pm to
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I'm not implying anything. I am telling you point blank that in Seattle, people smoke reefers in public. In Charleston, they don't. The difference in behavior is entirely due to differences in law. The Charleston reticence is not d/t immediate arrest. It is d/t the possibility of arrest.


Ok. People smoke weed inside in Charleston to decrease the likelihood of getting arrested.
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
61407 posts
Posted on 1/25/24 at 3:24 pm to
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There has always and will always exist a segment of society that cannot function safely in society, whether by their own choice or due to mental capacity. For 60 years now, we have been in the process of moving those people from mental health institutions to prison institutions. Which is why the total population of institutionalized ends up roughly right back where it was before we started this social experiment.



I totally agree with this. Laws certainly don't prevent mentally ill people from committing crime.
Posted by hogcard1964
Alabama
Member since Jan 2017
19922 posts
Posted on 1/25/24 at 3:52 pm to
Tell the to every state that attempts to pass unconstitutional gun laws.
Posted by oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
27194 posts
Posted on 1/25/24 at 3:54 pm to
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I don't hit women. It's wrong.



No more or less wrong than hitting a man.

Women in 2024 are not sacrosanct.

That ship has sailed.
Posted by Night Vision
Member since Feb 2018
21960 posts
Posted on 1/25/24 at 3:56 pm to
Maybe Ukraine or the illegals coming over can fund it.
Posted by oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
27194 posts
Posted on 1/25/24 at 3:56 pm to
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You seriously said that after I said:



Yes.

By encouraging the continued behavior of squeezing out welfare checks with no consequence, you are advocating for the suffering of future millions.

Fixing the problem now saves millions from suffering.

Incredibly simple concept.
Posted by oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
27194 posts
Posted on 1/25/24 at 3:58 pm to
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By 1990 most states had mandatory minimum sentences for drug offenses.



I think Biden referred to those criminals as animals in a jungle.

That's before of course Pedo-Joe decided his child molesting children were exempt....
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