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re: Does this align with being pro-life? Louisiana refuses summer meal assistance for kids
Posted on 1/13/24 at 5:50 pm to 4cubbies
Posted on 1/13/24 at 5:50 pm to 4cubbies
quote:What is "occupied Jerusalem"? Not intended as provocative, just curious about Al-Aqsa mosque, etc. relative to "occupied Jerusalem."
occupied Jerusalem
quote:No. That's exactly right.
She told me this information like 12 years ago, so it may have gotten muddy since the
quote:Sounds like a bullshite interpretation. Sorry, but 2hrs postnatal survival would qualify. Who asserted otherwise? You said she'd not have considered it, so the option wasn't explored.
If the fetus is not expected to survive the pregnancy.
Her pregnancy wouldn't have qualified for an exception.
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Posted on 1/13/24 at 5:56 pm to 4cubbies
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I think our moral decay is too advanced for that ever becoming a possibility, though.
Posted on 1/13/24 at 6:03 pm to 4cubbies
quote:Sorry.
But it would be great if Americans could also solve disputes without interference from police and courts. I think our moral decay is too advanced for that ever becoming a possibility, though.
I missed this before.
Do you have any idea as to the inequity or inegality of outcome and/or justice within the region which your friend is addressing?
Posted on 1/13/24 at 6:10 pm to 4cubbies
I'm thinking this may be a troll thread, a damn good one too.
Posted on 1/13/24 at 6:11 pm to NC_Tigah
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What is "occupied Jerusalem"? Not intended as provocative, just curious about Al-Aqsa mosque, etc. relative to "occupied Jerusalem."
East Jerusalem is a term used to signify the part of Jerusalem that came under Israeli occupation after the 1967 war, as opposed to the part of Jerusalem that has been under Israeli control since the 1948 war, which is often referred to as "West Jerusalem."
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but 2hrs postnatal survival would qualify.
Would you risk your license, money and jail time to argue that a baby surviving 30 minutes outside of the womb qualifies as a fetus not surviving pregnancy?
Posted on 1/13/24 at 6:13 pm to 4cubbies
quote:Right.
East Jerusalem is a term...
I asked what is "occupied Jerusalem"?
Posted on 1/13/24 at 6:15 pm to 4cubbies
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The job of the government is to micro-manage mothers
First, are you suggesting pregnant ladies who have their babies aborted are Mothers? Sounds rather at odds with the concept of Motherhood.
Second, does the government “micromanage” criminals and try to prevent murders by criminals? Yes as it should. And if you ask me, the fundamental charge in the Constitution mandates the government to defend a person’s right to LIFE, LIBERTY, and the PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS. If that involves a basic guarding/“micromanaging” of a “Mother” to protect a child’s fundamental rights then so be it.
Posted on 1/13/24 at 6:21 pm to 4cubbies
quote:No. If I was in that game (which I would never be d/t personal choice), I'd have legal advocates clear it the day the law passed. It would be my very strong expectation that a prognosis of death in the immediate postnatal period would qualify as unsurvivable. But perhaps some of our resident esquires could weigh in.
Would you risk your license, money and jail time to argue that a baby surviving 30 minutes outside of the womb qualifies as a fetus not surviving pregnancy?
Posted on 1/13/24 at 6:24 pm to NC_Tigah
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I asked what is "occupied Jerusalem"?
I thought that answered your question. Land under Israeli occupation. Separate roads for Palestinians and Jews, separate schools for Palestinians and Jews, utilities rationed for Palestinians, frequent checkpoints and road closures for Palestinians, etc.
Edit: I don’t want to get in any sort it debate about this because I don’t know enough about the situation and complexities of the region.
This post was edited on 1/13/24 at 6:26 pm
Posted on 1/13/24 at 6:34 pm to NC_Tigah
Posted on 1/13/24 at 6:41 pm to 4cubbies
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Land under Israeli occupation
By "land under Israeli occupation," you mean land previously held by Jews, then conquered and occupied by Muslims, then retaken by Jews?
Posted on 1/13/24 at 6:42 pm to 4cubbies
Whoops ... I seem to have stumbled upon the pro baby-killing part of the site.
Posted on 1/13/24 at 6:45 pm to 4cubbies
quote:Are they?
Doctors Are Still Confused by Abortion Exceptions in Louisiana.
"I use my good faith medical judgment and as long as that’s in accordance with the medical standard of care, then you really shouldn’t question that right." Sounds like she got that about right.
quote:bullshite!
It’s Limiting Essential Care
Now it may be limiting preferred care, or elective care, but the claim re: "essential" is pure crap.
Posted on 1/13/24 at 6:46 pm to NC_Tigah
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By "land under Israeli occupation," you mean land previously held by Jews, then conquered and occupied by Muslims, then retaken by Jews?
I mean East Jerusalem , which has been occupied by Israel since 1967.
Israeli-occupied territories
Posted on 1/13/24 at 6:49 pm to NC_Tigah
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Are they? "I use my good faith medical judgment and as long as that’s in accordance with the medical standard of care, then you really shouldn’t question that right." Sounds like she got that about right.
Did you see this part:
In October, Stephen Russo, lead attorney for the Louisiana Department of Health, told doctors that with the new statute, abortion is “more of a criminal nature and really it isn’t something that the [health] department has the authority to police,” the Louisiana Illuminator reported at the time. Russo said his agency wasn’t responsible for addressing physician confusion and that the state attorney general’s office would be better suited.
But, notes Avegno, that’s not practical. “No one’s going to call the lawmakers and say, ‘Oh, this was kind of a scary one. I didn’t know what to do,” Avegno says. “These are the same lawmakers that want to throw physicians in jail.”
Posted on 1/13/24 at 6:56 pm to 4cubbies
quote:I take you at your word. But "East Jerusalem" was not the erm you used. Nor is "East Jerusalem" a term (I'd hazard to guess) which your friend used in addressing things (which in turn led to your reference of "occupied Jerusalem" here).
I mean East Jerusalem
No need to respond, cubbies. But do think about it.
Posted on 1/13/24 at 6:58 pm to NC_Tigah
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Do you have any idea as to the inequity or inegality of outcome and/or justice within the region which your friend is addressing?
Would you call it less equitable/fair than the American criminal Justice system?
Posted on 1/13/24 at 7:02 pm to 4cubbies
quote:My guess ... Dr. Jennifer Avegnois is either a total dumbass (possible, though not at all likely) or she is a manipulative, conniving, partisan liar.
“These are the same lawmakers that want to throw physicians in jail.”
Posted on 1/13/24 at 7:03 pm to NC_Tigah
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No need to respond, cubbies. But do think about it.
There’s so much I don’t know about that region. If you noticed, I didn’t argue for or against any side. I’m aware that the knowledge about Israel that I possess pales in comparison to the history and nuance pertaining to Israel that I don’t know.
Posted on 1/13/24 at 7:09 pm to NC_Tigah
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My guess ... Dr. Jennifer Avegnois is either a total dumbass (possible, though not at all likely) or she is a manipulative, conniving, partisan liar.
You really think highly of her, huh?
I don’t trust the lawmakers in Louisiana one bit. I wouldn’t put it past them to make an example of some unsuspecting physician to prove how serious they are about outlawing abortion.
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