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Posted on 3/26/23 at 12:53 pm to Wednesday
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What specific histrionics and NPC talking points are you referring to in the OP.
Your biggest one is melting down over a false enemy you've been told to believe exists (the Uniparty)
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If you’re fine with a Jeb Bush running the country, it’s ok to have that view.
The question is compared to what.
You have already argued dishonestly in this area (by claiming that various moderate and/or traditional GOP candidates are the same as Democrats), so I don't know if you can answer that question until you stop thinking emotionally and what you're told to think.
Jeb v. Trump? Probably Trump
Jeb v. RDS? RDS easily
Jeb v. Biden? Jeb
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I just think that wordlview has wrecked us as bad as democrats
You're 100% wrong
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far worse than mean tweets.
Who has brought up mean tweets as a criticism of Trump?
Again, NPC talking points instead of intellectual substance
Posted on 3/26/23 at 12:53 pm to SlowFlowPro
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You can't even define "Uniparty" with a specific definition ?
The DC elite who have invested more in self preservation, globalism, wall street and unending conflict all while walking away from the middle class.
There is a reason populism can still flourish.
The above conditions shows how.
Posted on 3/26/23 at 12:54 pm to Lou Pai
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I like how this has become a rallying cry.
Economically conservative voter: Why is Trump supporting our biggest entitlements and refusing to reform them?
Patriot: OMG why are you melting over mean tweets?
This post was edited on 3/26/23 at 12:55 pm
Posted on 3/26/23 at 12:54 pm to tigerfan 64
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The DC elite who have invested more in self preservation, globalism, wall street and unending conflict all while walking away from the middle class.
You literally just proved my point
You even used other non-defined buzzwords like "DC elite" and "globalism"
This post was edited on 3/26/23 at 12:55 pm
Posted on 3/26/23 at 12:56 pm to Lou Pai
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I like how this has become a rallying cry. Trump's childish social media behavior is not a positive. It's way down on the list for those of us who want the more conservative and effective option. But it's not some positive for Trump. I'd rather the leader of the movement not waste time and look like a retard.
Exactly right.
Those tweets didn't really matter when it came to governing.
But those "mean tweets" and Trump's general dipshitty behavior is absolutely making him unelectable.
MAGA is going to be shocked by this, but most sane people don't want to vote for a piece of shite. And Trump has alienated enough people in the swing states that it is now impossible for him to win a general election.
Posted on 3/26/23 at 12:56 pm to Lou Pai
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mean tweets.
I like how this has become a rallying cry. Trump's childish social media behavior is not a positive. It's way down on the list for those of us who want the more conservative and effective option. But it's not some positive for Trump. I'd rather the leader of the movement not waste time and look like a retard.
That, and while his behavior doesn't effect my vote in any way I understand all to well that it DOES matter to a large swath of the electorate that is needed to win.
It always comes back to the cultists "us against the world" mentality and their lack of basic math skills.
You don't win when over half the country despises your candidate.
Posted on 3/26/23 at 12:57 pm to Wednesday
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I have zero problems with Trump’s handling of Covid.
I'm sure all the businesses that had to shut down due to the government declaring them "non-essential" would argue with you, if they were still around.
Yeah, 15 days to slow the spread worked great.
Posted on 3/26/23 at 12:59 pm to Wednesday
I mean Trump trusted obvious liberals with his daughter and son in law, while also employing people like Jeff Sessions, Bolton, Fauchi, ect.
Posted on 3/26/23 at 12:59 pm to tigerfan 64
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The DC elite who have invested more in self preservation, globalism, wall street and unending conflict all while walking away from the middle class.
There is a reason populism can still flourish.
Insert "bourgeoisie" for DC elite and you now sound like a communist. Insert Jew for DC elite and now you sound like a national socialist.
Always a victim, always need a boogeyman to go after. The marionettes will always dance to the symphony of destruction.
Posted on 3/26/23 at 1:00 pm to Wednesday
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I have zero problems with Trump’s handling of Covid.
This is the equivalent of a liberal saying they didn't mind the BLM protests or they think January 6th was worse than 9/11.
Posted on 3/26/23 at 1:00 pm to Wednesday
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But same wing of the Uniparty
The Uniparty sure seems to put up very different justices for the Supreme Court depending on which holds the WH...
Uniparty my arse.
Posted on 3/26/23 at 1:01 pm to Wednesday
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I just think that wordlview has wrecked us as bad as democrats and both far worse than mean tweets.
And B/T/W so fricking what if.he talked to Karl Rove?" he should be talking to Rove who is one of the leading Republican strategists. That doesn't necessarily mean he is being managed by him.
If I am DeSantis or a leading candidate for President, I am going to talk to everyone I can. I am going to talk to Rove, I am going to talk to George Bush, I am going to talk to Mitt Romney, I am going to talk to Mitch McConnell, I am going too talk to Kevin McCarthy, etc. etc....
I am going to talk to everyone that is a stakeholder in Republican Party and the Conservative movement because that is what I SHOULD be doing. Then I am going to build a consensus about what policies and strategies are best for the country and to get everyone on board and move forward.
THAT IS WHAT A LEADER DOES
This post was edited on 3/26/23 at 1:05 pm
Posted on 3/26/23 at 1:01 pm to Pechon
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Insert "bourgeoisie" for DC elite and you now sound like a communist.
I am betting 50% of MAGA will be socialist or communist in 5 years.
Even the Democrats realized that class warfare was a failure and abandoned it.
Posted on 3/26/23 at 1:03 pm to TomShelby
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No. They are the same posters that said they would give head to Rubio if it meant no Trump
yup NEVER TRUMPERS
Posted on 3/26/23 at 1:04 pm to SlowFlowPro
By 2027, the interest expense on the national debt will exceed Healthcare spending
By 2047 it will exceed all discretionary spending
But Paul Ryan is the bad guy
The thing is, they don't care about reforming entitlements
Because they aren't real conservatives, they are RINOs
By 2047 it will exceed all discretionary spending
But Paul Ryan is the bad guy
The thing is, they don't care about reforming entitlements
Because they aren't real conservatives, they are RINOs
Posted on 3/26/23 at 1:07 pm to Wednesday
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the possibility of Bush/Ryan/Rove support of RDS
They're not going to support Trump so their options are limited.
Posted on 3/26/23 at 1:07 pm to Lou Pai
Mean Tweets are a definite negative. But as I see it, the good outweighed the bad with trump.
My point is - if my options are Trump’s obnoxious and juvenile commentary on Rhianna’s Super Bowl show, and the kind of decision making that was running the Iraq War- I choose the obnoxious commentary.
It doesn’t mean I want out of control spending or Fauci - but it’s not as if those things ALSO didn’t exist under Bush.
Biden and Obama would never have been able to do half the horrid shite they did without the tools provided by the Bush Government, or without the willing participation of congressional republicans during the Obama years who did everything in their power to quash the legitimate aims of Tea Party Republicans.
Do you think Mitch McConnell had a problem with Lois Lerner’s activism? I don’t. His brand of republican wouldn’t acknowledge it and did nothing to stop it. Instead they ignored the Tea Party wing of their party, derided them as cuckoo birds, and nominated the “electable” Mitt Romney.
I don’t see very much difference btwn McCain and the posters on here contending that educated populists are in a cult, or stupid or whatever.
If it doesn’t bother you that the Bushes are promoting Desantis, then fine. But I am skeptical of their motivations, and not interested in being derided by people I elected again.
My point is - if my options are Trump’s obnoxious and juvenile commentary on Rhianna’s Super Bowl show, and the kind of decision making that was running the Iraq War- I choose the obnoxious commentary.
It doesn’t mean I want out of control spending or Fauci - but it’s not as if those things ALSO didn’t exist under Bush.
Biden and Obama would never have been able to do half the horrid shite they did without the tools provided by the Bush Government, or without the willing participation of congressional republicans during the Obama years who did everything in their power to quash the legitimate aims of Tea Party Republicans.
Do you think Mitch McConnell had a problem with Lois Lerner’s activism? I don’t. His brand of republican wouldn’t acknowledge it and did nothing to stop it. Instead they ignored the Tea Party wing of their party, derided them as cuckoo birds, and nominated the “electable” Mitt Romney.
I don’t see very much difference btwn McCain and the posters on here contending that educated populists are in a cult, or stupid or whatever.
If it doesn’t bother you that the Bushes are promoting Desantis, then fine. But I am skeptical of their motivations, and not interested in being derided by people I elected again.
Posted on 3/26/23 at 1:08 pm to Lou Pai
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The thing is, they don't care about reforming entitlements
Because they aren't real conservatives, they are RINOs
They are Leftists in terms of economics, but truly believe they can just redefine" conservative" and pretend they're right.
The delusion is strong.
Right Wing populism almost always has Leftists economics. The "Right wing" part is social policies.
Posted on 3/26/23 at 1:10 pm to Wednesday
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Mean Tweets are a definite negative. But as I see it, the good outweighed the bad with trump.
Most of us never cared about "mean tweets" but the fact is Trump screwed himself, because a hell of a lot of people do care.
You love the guy because he's "not a politician" but don't seem to understand you have to be a politician to work with anyone.
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