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re: Does the possibility of Bush/Ryan/Rove support of RDS bother RDS supporters?
Posted on 3/26/23 at 1:11 pm to Wednesday
Posted on 3/26/23 at 1:11 pm to Wednesday
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If it doesn’t bother you that the Bushes are promoting Desantis, then fine. But I am skeptical of their motivations
Just taking a wild guess, I'd say they want the GOP to win the presidency.
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Posted on 3/26/23 at 1:12 pm to Wednesday
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My point is - if my options are Trump’s obnoxious and juvenile commentary on Rhianna’s Super Bowl show, and the kind of decision making that was running the Iraq War- I choose the obnoxious commentary.
...OK...nobody involved was involved in running the Iraq War
Even Rove. He's a campaign strategist. He's not Dick Cheney
Paul Ryan wouldn't have invaded Iraq. Romney either. Just because you want to pretend they're the same thing as GWB doesn't make it true.
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Biden and Obama would never have been able to do half the horrid shite they did without the tools provided by the Bush Government
Which Trump continued essentially without question
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who did everything in their power to quash the legitimate aims of Tea Party Republicans.
Which ones, the ones with economics Trump disagrees with or the Bible belters who hijacked the "party"?
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Do you think Mitch McConnell had a problem with Lois Lerner’s activism? I don’t.
Mitch McConnel is almost single-handedly responsible for the only lasting legacy of Trump. His only truly conservative one. The Supreme Court.
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Instead they ignored the Tea Party wing of their party,
When it was proto-MTG Michelle Bachmann? Good
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and nominated the “electable” Mitt Romney.
There is no Republican who was beating the incumbent Obama.
Posted on 3/26/23 at 1:13 pm to SlowFlowPro
Thanks for your opinion.
Now address the other items:
self preservation, globalism, wall street and unending conflict all while walking away from the middle class.
If the GOPe wants to support these tenants more than supporting the R voting base, you get disenchantment from the base.
If Ron is the candidate, I'll vote for him.
If he can mold his presidential platform as an extension of his governorship, we will get improvement in dc.
If he adopts the establishment policies of those who are guiding him, we will get more of the same that led us to where we are.
Now address the other items:
self preservation, globalism, wall street and unending conflict all while walking away from the middle class.
If the GOPe wants to support these tenants more than supporting the R voting base, you get disenchantment from the base.
If Ron is the candidate, I'll vote for him.
If he can mold his presidential platform as an extension of his governorship, we will get improvement in dc.
If he adopts the establishment policies of those who are guiding him, we will get more of the same that led us to where we are.
Posted on 3/26/23 at 1:13 pm to BuckyCheese
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Just taking a wild guess, I'd say they want the GOP to win the presidency.
You're ignoring they have redefined "conservative" and what a REAL GOP member is. This thread is a perfect example of that.
Traditional GOP has now become the "Uniparty" and, somehow, is the same thing as the modern Democratic party. Nobody has explained that specifically.
Posted on 3/26/23 at 1:14 pm to Wednesday
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If it doesn’t bother you that the Bushes are promoting Desantis, then fine. But I am skeptical of their motivations
The truth is always somewhere in the middle. Trump and Desantis both have to cozy up with certain people to get to where they want to be. Those people are Never Trump first. Just because they’re backing RDS, doesn’t mean he’s pushing their agenda or enacting any of their policies.
Posted on 3/26/23 at 1:14 pm to tigerfan 64
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If the GOPe wants to support these tenants more than supporting the R voting base, you get disenchantment from the base.
It appears that they want free stuff and entitlements and will protest if they don't receive them.
Posted on 3/26/23 at 1:16 pm to lsuguy84
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Those people are Never Trump first. Just because they’re backing RDS, doesn’t mean he’s pushing their agenda or enacting any of their policies.
Exactly.
Pragmatism is lost on those with DDS, because they have fallen under the spell of ideological purity.
The sad part is their ideology is not defined and is essentially what they're told on that day at that time.
Posted on 3/26/23 at 1:17 pm to SlowFlowPro
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It appears that they want free stuff and entitlements and will protest if they don't receive them.
haven't you heard?
Conservatism now means unending entitlement spending and the government taking care of us.
At least that's what the Trumpists tell me.
Posted on 3/26/23 at 1:17 pm to SlowFlowPro
Oh. I see
“Fiscal conservatives” only spend money on wars.
I’m fine with reforming entitlements. Don’t accuse me of viewpoints I dont have if you’re going to argue with me.
Reforming entitlements creates a huge political problem. It’s not unsolvable, it it is a problem. Meaning, any politician needs to recognize the reality that, even tho we were forced by dumbass leftwingers, we all paid into the system with every paycheck we’ve ever earned, and even responsible savers have used these systems to plan for their retirement. Conservatives have to solve that problem, and “conservatives” who want to get elected need to do solve it in a way that doesn’t alienate people.
So - what’s your solution? I’m fine with keeping them solvent until we get our $$$ paid in out of it.
But then again assholes like you think I’m too stupid to vote. So maybe I wont understand your answer.
“Fiscal conservatives” only spend money on wars.
I’m fine with reforming entitlements. Don’t accuse me of viewpoints I dont have if you’re going to argue with me.
Reforming entitlements creates a huge political problem. It’s not unsolvable, it it is a problem. Meaning, any politician needs to recognize the reality that, even tho we were forced by dumbass leftwingers, we all paid into the system with every paycheck we’ve ever earned, and even responsible savers have used these systems to plan for their retirement. Conservatives have to solve that problem, and “conservatives” who want to get elected need to do solve it in a way that doesn’t alienate people.
So - what’s your solution? I’m fine with keeping them solvent until we get our $$$ paid in out of it.
But then again assholes like you think I’m too stupid to vote. So maybe I wont understand your answer.
Posted on 3/26/23 at 1:18 pm to Message Board User
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Conservatism now means unending entitlement spending and the government taking care of us.
At least that's what the Trumpists tell me.
...and Freedom Cities
Nothing says Real Conservative Values like central planning.
Posted on 3/26/23 at 1:18 pm to Wednesday
Yes, although I would still vote for him if he were the nominee. Those guys are the political equivalent of Ebola, AIDS, and Cancer.
Posted on 3/26/23 at 1:18 pm to Message Board User
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Conservatism now means unending entitlement spending and the government taking care of us.
Communists certainly like to flip terminology so it wouldn't surprise me if MAGA pushed this.. What needs to happen is MAGA form a third populist ideology, because they're sure as hell not conservative.
This post was edited on 3/26/23 at 1:19 pm
Posted on 3/26/23 at 1:19 pm to Wednesday
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I’m fine with reforming entitlements.
Oooooo man...your orange god would like to have a word with you...
Posted on 3/26/23 at 1:20 pm to BuckyCheese
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Just taking a wild guess, I'd say they want the GOP to win the presidency.
Is that why they were so “helpful” in 2016?
They don’t want the GOP to win. They want their faction of the GOP to win.
Posted on 3/26/23 at 1:20 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Communists certainly like to flip terminology so it wouldn't surprise me if MAGA pushed this.. What needs to happen is MAGA form a third populist ideology, because they're sure as hell not conservative.
It's only a matter of time before Trump says that Gavin Newsom did a better job with Covid than Desantis.
Posted on 3/26/23 at 1:21 pm to Pechon
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...and Freedom Cities
Posted on 3/26/23 at 1:21 pm to Message Board User
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Oooooo man...your orange god would like to have a word with you...
Great solution
Posted on 3/26/23 at 1:21 pm to Wednesday
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I’m fine with reforming entitlements. Don’t accuse me of viewpoints I dont have if you’re going to argue with me.
Then don't whine about Paul Ryan. He wasn't in the picture for that long as a congressman with any influence, and that was his biggest issue.
Trump on the other hand, well...
Posted on 3/26/23 at 1:21 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Pragmatism is lost on those with DDS, because they have fallen under the spell of ideological purity.
No people without severe TDS realize Trump is the best chance to win cause Ron has no chance solo
Together they would be able to right this ship. Only a person of low intelligence would disagree with that
Posted on 3/26/23 at 1:22 pm to Pechon
quote:I dont see how. I pay too much in tax.
Insert "bourgeoisie" for DC elite and you now sound like a communist. Insert Jew for DC elite and now you sound like a national socialist.
Always a victim, always need a boogeyman to go after. The marionettes will always dance to the symphony of destruction.
I'm not a victim.
I think "principled consevatives" are.
The 2 biggest Trump hate groups are progressive Democrats and principled conservatives.
Trump isnt a fiscal conservative. It would help him if he was.
Mean tweets dont help him, but he often is on the right track with them.
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