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Posted on 10/4/17 at 3:41 pm to NC_Tigah
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Not saying an individual could not own those in some sort of collection, but I am saying that he should be open to inspection, interview, psyche profiling, and tracking.
To what end? Who controls this? What will it achieve? Do you think it would have prevented this incident? Others?
Posted on 10/4/17 at 3:42 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:Many reasons. E.g., if you own 50 AR-15's, and you don't secure or keep track of them properly, they could end up in the hands of bad players, even if you aren't one.
Why do you care how many I own?
Posted on 10/4/17 at 3:43 pm to NC_Tigah
If someone owns 50 ar15s, chances are; they are all stored properly.
Straw man is filled with straw.
Straw man is filled with straw.
This post was edited on 10/4/17 at 3:44 pm
Posted on 10/4/17 at 3:44 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:I'd say the same about anyone that owns 50 of anything. If someone steals your car, gets drunk and plows in to a family of 5... do we hold the owner responsible?
if you own 50 AR-15's, and you don't secure or keep track of them properly, they could end up in the hands of bad players, even if you aren't one.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 3:45 pm to Taxing Authority
Kinda got buried at the bottom of the last page. Not badgering, but I'd like your thoughts...
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Why should a law-abiding citizen have to surrender their 4th Amendment rights to exercise the 2nd?
Posted on 10/4/17 at 3:46 pm to TennesseeFan25
I retract my statement.I am pro bump fire. The purpose of the 2nd Amendment is to wage war on the government if they get crazy.
Nobody wants to do that with a shovel and a rake.
Nobody wants to do that with a shovel and a rake.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 3:47 pm to NC_Tigah
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Many reasons.
Oh.
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E.g., if you own 50 AR-15's, and you don't secure or keep track of them properly, they could end up in the hands of bad players, even if you aren't one.
If...could...might...if....maybe...
Cool story. Have any useful examples?
Posted on 10/4/17 at 3:51 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:ATF
Who controls this?
quote:The same thing that banking regs achieve. Too few lead to folks getting hurt. Admittedly, too many lead to inefficiency.
What will it achieve?
quote:We don't know enough about this incident or the psychopath involved to thoroughly surmise one way or the other.
Do you think it would have prevented this incident?
Was he exhibiting signs of psychological instability?
Would he have subjected himself to extra scrutiny, if such applied, as the number of guns he possessed increased?
Would he have subjected himself to extra scrutiny, if such applied, as the amount of ammo he possessed increased?
Maybe, maybe not.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 3:55 pm to NC_Tigah
Out of these guns, which one can go through type 2 body armor with ease? 
Posted on 10/4/17 at 3:57 pm to beerJeep
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If someone owns 50 ar15s, chances are; they are all stored properly
If that were true... there wouldn't be so many stolen, illegal guns on the street, in the hands of criminals.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 3:58 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:That stolen guns end up in the hands of bad dudes? or That guns are a target for theft by bad dudes?
Cool story. Have any useful examples?
A couple of thugs broke into a local Cabela's this summer and stole about 50 guns. Cabella's is not a soft target. OTOH, your home might be.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 3:59 pm to LSUFanHouston
I promise you stolen guns don't come from collectors. They come f on Joe blow down the road with 2 guns.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 4:00 pm to NC_Tigah
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ATF
The ATF is going to handle inspections, interviews, and tracking? They can't even process tax stamps efficiently, but we expect them to be useful here? No thanks.
The ATF will handle psychological profiling, too? Hard pass.
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The same thing that banking regs achieve.
Feel free to expand on this in comparison to regulating firearms.
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We don't know enough about this incident or the psychopath involved to thoroughly surmise one way or the other.
Cool. I asked about other incidents as well. How many do you suppose would be prevented? Which ones?
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Was he exhibiting signs of psychological instability?
How do we monitor and track that?
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Would he have subjected himself to extra scrutiny, if such applied, as the number of guns he possessed increased?
The number of firearms he had is relatively insignificant. It gets clicks, but he didn't need 23 firearms to do what he did.
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Would he have subjected himself to extra scrutiny, if such applied, as the amount of ammo he possessed increased?
So ammo now, too? What limits on that and how do we track it?
Posted on 10/4/17 at 4:00 pm to beerJeep
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Out of these guns, which one can go through type 2 body armor with ease?
Oooo! Ooooo! Pick me! Pick me!
Nice collection.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 4:02 pm to NC_Tigah
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A couple of thugs broke into a local Cabela's this summer and stole about 50 guns. Cabella's is not a soft target. OTOH, your home might be.
My firearms are more secure than those at Cabela's.
So, should we tell Cabela's they don't need more than 5-10 firearms in their store because they could, maybe, possibly, potentially be stolen?
The government loses weapons at a significant rate, but sure, let's trust them to handle it.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 4:03 pm to beerJeep
quote:I guess I'd first have to ask how many folks attending a concert would be wearing type 2 body armor?
Out of these guns, which one can go through type 2 body armor with ease?
Posted on 10/4/17 at 4:06 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:I suppose to keep this in the DisplacedBuckeye mode, I should say "CSB".
My firearms are more secure than those at Cabela's.
But more importantly if that's the case, what's the concern with occasional site verification.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 4:06 pm to NC_Tigah
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I guess I'd first have to ask how many folks attending a concert would be wearing type 2 body armor?
What does that matter? But the cops responding and swat as well for sure.
So come on. Out of those guns, which would do the most damage? You don't have to call them by name (guarantee you don't know what half those guns are) so just pick which one.
I'll give you a hint. The secret service uses it.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 4:08 pm to Taxing Authority
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If someone steals your car, gets drunk and plows in to a family of 5... do we hold the owner responsible?
Legally, no... and I'm not suggesting if a gun is stolen, that the owner should be responsible legally.
But if I own a car, and I left the car unlocked, and I left the keys in the engine, and someone stole it and ran over people... I would feel horrific.
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