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Does modifying guns change gun debate?
Posted on 10/4/17 at 2:08 pm
Posted on 10/4/17 at 2:08 pm
Automatic weapons are already illegal, but apparently this clown was able to modify a legal weapon into an illegal one.
No gun law is going to eliminate all gun violence. If someone wants to modify a gun, or even build one from scratch, if they are crafty enough they can do it.
I did hear this morning if you buy two guns at once... the feds are notified, but if you buy 50 guns individually in different transactions at different times... no notification.
I think most Americans are against strong gun control, confiscation, etc. But... I also think most Americans are trying to find SOMETHING that can stop events like this.
No gun law is going to eliminate all gun violence. If someone wants to modify a gun, or even build one from scratch, if they are crafty enough they can do it.
I did hear this morning if you buy two guns at once... the feds are notified, but if you buy 50 guns individually in different transactions at different times... no notification.
I think most Americans are against strong gun control, confiscation, etc. But... I also think most Americans are trying to find SOMETHING that can stop events like this.
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Posted on 10/4/17 at 2:10 pm to LSUFanHouston
This guy had a clean record and had undergone numerous background checks. No gun law, outside of banning, would have stopped this. He really only needed two guns.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 2:10 pm to LSUFanHouston
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No gun law is going to eliminate all gun violence. If someone wants to modify a gun, or even build one from scratch, if they are crafty enough they can do it.
If they have that skill then absolutely, there shouldn't be products readily available for people to buy though that allows them to do it without any knowledge.
It's simply subverting a law that is in place with loopholes. Should not be legal, and absolutely makes a difference.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 2:11 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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This guy had a clean record
Hold on there.
Dude purchased 30+ firearms in a year. That's not normal behavior for anyone.
Additionally, his dad was a fricking psychopath. If we want to pretend some of this stuff is hereditary in peoples make up then there should have been a spotlight on him.
To say he didn't have had any red flags though is absolutely bullshite
This post was edited on 10/4/17 at 2:12 pm
Posted on 10/4/17 at 2:12 pm to LSUFanHouston
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most Americans are trying to find SOMETHING that can stop events like this.
There is nothing that can stop an event like this. If someone wants to kill a bunch of people, they will find a way.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 2:12 pm to LSUFanHouston
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did hear this morning if you buy two guns at once... the feds are notified, but if you buy 50 guns individually in different transactions at different times... no notification
I don't know. I don't sell guns, but I buy them fairly often. I've noticed that when I buy several within a week or two my NICS starts taking longer to come back as approved. I've also noticed that depending on the type of gun I buy the NICS takes longer.
Could just be a coincidence. Using my experience alone is as small of a sample size as you can get, but it has been consistent enough for me to notice it.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 2:12 pm to LSUFanHouston
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did hear this morning if you buy two guns at once... the feds are notified, but if you buy 50 guns individually in different transactions at different times... no notification.
Doesn’t matter if you buy one gun, or ten thousand, they always have to contact NICS to see if you’re not allowed to purchase.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 2:13 pm to SlapahoeTribe
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they always have to contact NICS to see if you’re not allowed to purchase.
If you have your CCW they do not, but it is because you have already been vetted in order to receive the permit.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 2:14 pm to SlapahoeTribe
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Doesn’t matter if you buy one gun, or ten thousand, they always have to contact NICS to see if you’re not allowed to purchase.
Contact... yes... the news article though made it seem like it's recorded somehow if you buy more than 1 at a time and a special report is made?
Posted on 10/4/17 at 2:14 pm to TennesseeFan25
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products readily available for people to buy though that allows them to do it without any knowledge.
There aren't
Bumpfire stocks are not much more than a novelty, furthermore they take practice to become proficient with.
I fully understand the immediate reaction to want to prevent this kind of thing from happening, but the unfortunate reality is that there is absolutely nothing that will ever accomplish that to any satisfactory degree.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 2:15 pm to TennesseeFan25
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Dude purchased 30+ firearms in a year. That's not normal behavior for anyone.
I used to work as a gunsmith. The store had a few clients that would purchase that many in a year. Hell, there was one guy that probably purchased three times that - was always buying and selling.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 2:16 pm to SlapahoeTribe
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I used to work as a gunsmith. The store had a few clients that would purchase that many in a year. Hell, there was one guy that probably purchased three times that - was always buying and selling.
I still do not accept that as normal behavior, and it should raise flags. If we are being genuine about the purpose of these background checks that's absolutely something that should flag a more detailed look.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 2:17 pm to TennesseeFan25
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Dude purchased 30+ firearms in a year. That's not normal behavior for anyone.
How many would you define as "normal" in your mind? You do realize some people actually collect firearms, right?
Also, just because someone's dad did something does not mean their son will be predisposed to do something bad as well. That is akin to saying all black men are dead beat dads and therefore their sons will be dead beat dads as well...
Posted on 10/4/17 at 2:17 pm to LSUFanHouston
quote:I don't think this is correct, meaning I haven't heard it CONFIRMED that he actually modified a rifle to fully auto.
Automatic weapons are already illegal, but apparently this clown was able to modify a legal weapon into an illegal one.
quote:ATF Link Info on Multiple Firearm Purchase
I did hear this morning if you buy two guns at once... the feds are notified, but if you buy 50 guns individually in different transactions at different times... no notification.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 2:18 pm to LSUFanHouston
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if you buy more than 1 at a time and a special report is made?
There’s no special records kept ... at least there’s not supposed to be.
This post was edited on 10/4/17 at 2:22 pm
Posted on 10/4/17 at 2:19 pm to TennesseeFan25
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Dude purchased 30+ firearms in a year. That's not normal behavior for anyone.
There are tons of people who purchase multiple firearms every year that don't kill 58 people from a hotel window.
I've bought two at a gun show twice. Should I be put on a list?
Plus, in your scenario where he bought 30+ firearms, what would you have desired to happen? Feds knock on his door and quiz him why he has a predilection for firearms? Dude had a clean record - even the FAA granted him a license to fly.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 2:19 pm to LSUFanHouston
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or even build one from scratch
Unless you are a gunsmith, with an FFL, you are breaking Federal Law if you build a modern firearm from scratch. The FFL is the key... Now, you can buy the parts and assemble one but you are going to have to go through an FFL for the key component to the firearm (lower receiver / firing mechanism)...
Posted on 10/4/17 at 2:20 pm to CptRusty
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Bumpfire stocks are not much more than a novelty, furthermore they take practice to become proficient with.
A lower rate of fire from these weapons, could have saved lives. The bumpstock enabled a higher rate of fire. This is a much easier adapation than someone having the knowledge and skills to adjust the weapon mechanics to become fully automatic.
I don't fully understand what you're arguing, but as far as nothing will ever accomplish, that may or may not be true, we should still make it as difficult as possible to accomplish though, as it's a deterrent and may not stop all, but can stop some.
Additionally, there is still no reason for a civilian to have this item. It's not needed and only poses a threat.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 2:21 pm to TennesseeFan25
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If they have that skill then absolutely, there shouldn't be products readily available for people to buy though that allows them to do it without any knowledge.
Google gives you access to pretty much any knowledge out there. The user is essentially limited by their own comprehension capabilities.
Bad people exist and they aren't necessarily stupid or incapable.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 2:23 pm to The Maj
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you are breaking Federal Law if you build a modern firearm from scratch.
What do you mean by modern firearm? You can build guns from scratch and it's legal. People build slamfire 9mm carbines and shotguns from scratch all the time. YouTube has hundreds of videos on it
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