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re: Does JBE win re-election?

Posted on 11/14/19 at 2:24 pm to
Posted by DiamondDog
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2019
12840 posts
Posted on 11/14/19 at 2:24 pm to
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He got the state out of the budget mess that Jindal put us in


Once again, Democrats confusing raising taxes with real solutions. Getting out of a hole by throwing more money at the hole doesn’t solve anything.
Posted by used2becool
Member since Feb 2018
110 posts
Posted on 11/14/19 at 2:24 pm to
TL:DR

Listen JKTriggeredton, you can google all the law review articles you want. But the fact is your boy JBE was instrumental in negotiating the Jindal budgets (he even voted for most of them). He also voted to repeal Stelly.

Period.
Posted by 187undercover
Member since May 2019
1538 posts
Posted on 11/14/19 at 2:29 pm to
JBE got right close to 47 percent. If he can't make up 3 percent he is a loser.

Meanwhile Rispone must bust sack to get a lot of Abraham voters to vote.

Edward's FTW
Posted by 0
Member since Aug 2011
17552 posts
Posted on 11/14/19 at 2:29 pm to
Yes, bigly
Posted by JKChesterton
Member since Dec 2012
4229 posts
Posted on 11/14/19 at 2:30 pm to
And u should defend ur position with well reasoned arguments , the fact that u resort to statements like u wrote suggest u lack the ability to critically think and defend ur positions rationally . Ur behavior reminds me of what is going on any many big cites where if u don’t agree with me ur the enemy , do u want to see La become what Portland and Seattle have become, I will vote for JBE as it is my Constitutional right , u vote for Rispone as that is ur right . In the future if u can’t write me in more civil tone then don’t write me at all.
Posted by tgrbaitn08
Member since Dec 2007
148031 posts
Posted on 11/14/19 at 2:31 pm to
R U sure ur old enough 2 vote?
Posted by JKChesterton
Member since Dec 2012
4229 posts
Posted on 11/14/19 at 2:33 pm to
I agree I said the entire 2007 and 2008 budget deals were a cluster , but given the fiscal cliffs the state got into , how that was resolved is my issue and in my view Jindal was horrible in how he solved those problems , most of which as governor he was responsible for
Posted by BlackAdam
Member since Jan 2016
7052 posts
Posted on 11/14/19 at 2:35 pm to
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I agree the entire 2007 2008 budget deals when oil was 150 a barrel and we were flush with oil money was a cluster by all involved , however once the fiscal situation around 2012 changed , what and how the budget process was addressed is what pissed me off with Jindal as everything he did in my opinion was for his presidential ambitions , JBE at least admitted his fubar with respect to stelly


My problem is Edwards has done nothing to fix the issues. He has masked them with a hefty tax increase that falls disproportionately on the working poor. He has benefitted from rising oil prices, and a federal tax revenue windfall.

If things reverse we could end up right back where we were under Jindal, and we would still be cutting higher ed and healthcare because everything else is statutorily or constitutionally protected.

Rispone is not a guy I want to support, but Edwards has been awful. Rispone also at least acknowledges that we need to fix the structural issues that caused the cuts Jindal enacted... the state constitution.
Posted by JKChesterton
Member since Dec 2012
4229 posts
Posted on 11/14/19 at 2:37 pm to
Have been voting since early 80s , the responses of people here an inability of people to discuss and debate civilly speaks more of u than me and is a symptom of the broader breakdown of civil discourse society wide of course a majority of people here go to church on Sunday and say amen and come here and curse and cast insults the other 6 days a week , do u really want to be that type of guy? Go ahead free country but that ain’t me
Posted by JKChesterton
Member since Dec 2012
4229 posts
Posted on 11/14/19 at 2:42 pm to
Fair post , but some clarifications , oil was 150 a barrel in 2007 and 2008 and hovered around 100 till 2012 , oil revenue was 16 percent of the budget when Jindal was in , by 2014 down to 10 percent and by 2016 around 4 , based on some solid sources I do have, u can expect the budget forecast for next few years to price oil at around $50, far cry from the 150 to 100 that Jindal had in his first term
Posted by JKChesterton
Member since Dec 2012
4229 posts
Posted on 11/14/19 at 2:48 pm to
That article provides a history of the budget , in the end yes Jbe voted for the budget as all states have to have a balanced budget , so in the end more than half the people voted to get the budget passed , sounds like someone who can work across the proverbial political aisle
Posted by JKChesterton
Member since Dec 2012
4229 posts
Posted on 11/14/19 at 2:56 pm to
Yes that article says what he said no ability to pay instructors and adjuncts to teach undergraduate classes means Athletes would not get requisite hours to meet mandated NCAA requirements , that is not the same as saying I am shutting down football . That s explaining correctly what would happen if a budget deal was not in place to pay instructors and adjuncts who teach the Majority of undergraduate classes which ball players take, again tenure track academics do not teach undergraduates for most part and do not teach summer school at LSU , tenure track faculty lines are not impacted by the cuts , it is the non tenure track faculty who would have not been paid and thus not teach those classes
Posted by stelly1025
Lafayette
Member since May 2012
9900 posts
Posted on 11/14/19 at 3:14 pm to
I don't see it.
Posted by BigJim
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2010
14982 posts
Posted on 11/14/19 at 3:25 pm to
quote:

Yes that article says what he said no ability to pay instructors and adjuncts to teach undergraduate classes means Athletes would not get requisite hours to meet mandated NCAA requirements , that is not the same as saying I am shutting down football . That s explaining correctly what would happen if a budget deal was not in place to pay instructors and adjuncts who teach the Majority of undergraduate classes which ball players take, again tenure track academics do not teach undergraduates for most part and do not teach summer school at LSU , tenure track faculty lines are not impacted by the cuts , it is the non tenure track faculty who would have not been paid and thus not teach those classes


blah, blah, blah...if you don't vote for my tax I am shutting down football.

You don't think there was ANY other alternative??? You don't think this was maybe, maybe a bit of a hyperbolic threat to get his way rather than a neutral telling of the facts? Also known as the Washington Monument strategy

What about when he threaten to kick people of nursing homes if people didn't vote for his taxes? And actually sent out letters to people that they could be kicked out on the street?

C'mon man, open your eyes.
Posted by MrJimBeam
Member since Apr 2009
12964 posts
Posted on 11/14/19 at 3:26 pm to
What a wall of consecutive post run ons
Posted by NikolaiJakov
Moscow
Member since Mar 2014
2803 posts
Posted on 11/14/19 at 3:31 pm to
This race would be over if Rispone wasn't a bad candidate with nothing to stand on but Trump and dirty ads.

Posted by JKChesterton
Member since Dec 2012
4229 posts
Posted on 11/14/19 at 3:35 pm to
U realize that Jindal passed 750 million in temporary taxes in 2015 , JBE passed 1.5. Billion over the next two years or 750 each year, all these taxes expired I think 30 June 2018. So in the end , Jindal put the temporary tax fix to solve the budget mess, which in my view , he largely caused. maybe the optics of what JBE did were politically not the best , but it is sad in my view that it takes LSU football to get legislators to do there job, forget the year before where the LA state police crime and forensics lab was a few weeks from having to close , among other things .
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
41854 posts
Posted on 11/14/19 at 3:36 pm to
Edwards threatened LSU. His administration threatened 37,000 old folks with nursing home closure. He threatened students with TOPS.

He didn’t threaten the film industry, he didn’t reform the nursing home industry and he hardly looked at spending cuts. The fact is he added more spending via Medicaid Expansion which is becoming a bigger and bigger obligation.

He raised taxes to the point where we now have a surplus that exceeds the 466 million dollars that the .45 cent sales tax was supposed to bring in.

Government is here to serve the people. The government is not the end all, but everything Edwards does is judged by how fiscally sound is the government.

The good news from Edwards is the government is doing great. We run a big surplus every year, more folks are on Medicaid and we can give raises to state employees.

What he won’t say is people are leaving La., there are no more jobs than when he took office, we are 48, 49 or 50th in everything, and the economy is in the ditch.

Yes, the state government is out the ditch, but the economy is in the ditch and there are no new jobs and very little growth at a time when our competition is running laps around us.

Edwards is great for state government, it’s the people mostly who are losing. Losing of leaving.
Posted by JKChesterton
Member since Dec 2012
4229 posts
Posted on 11/14/19 at 3:39 pm to
Ok do me a favor go the the advocate article on February 12 2016 I think where they have the entire speech in context , let’s first get to the most detailed reporting of his speech before arguing over what was said or not said
Posted by JKChesterton
Member since Dec 2012
4229 posts
Posted on 11/14/19 at 3:53 pm to
That surplus is largely due to the change in federal tax laws and how it impacts state income tax
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