re: Does IVF create abortions?

My body was all for getting pregnant and letting it implant. It’s just that after implantation my body declared war and proceeded to attack with extreme prejudice.

You can't destroy an embryo in Louisiana.

You either have to use it, keep it stored for future generations, or donate it.

Its a touchy subject with people. Some see it as immoral while others are celebrating the creation of life from it. It's hard for couples to want babies but have no success while trying. Others met their spouse later in life (40's) and are considered high risk so its better and safer to do IVF.

I know a few people who did IVF. They are very loving and nurturing people.

If you are against people who have abortions, should you also be against someone who is trying to create life to love and nurture?

yes that's why it's not allowed by catholic church

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What test would you run on the embryo to determine that?

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I assume the same genetic testing that they already run to screen for DS and other defects in ordinary pregnancies.

I'll give my opinion since my wife and I had to make this decision. We had tried several times with artificial insemination and the next step was IVF. Dr tells us that several vital embryos could be created a few could be implanted at a time in hopes of 1 taking then there would be several in the freezer to try again or donate or whatever.

Let me say, that I will not judge anybody's decision. It is their decision. But for me, it just felt way too much like playing God and I just didn't feel right with embryos being destroyed or just left in the freezer till whenever. I just felt uneasy about it. My wife and I decided not to do it. It was very tough and difficult. We ended up adopting a baby girl and then 4 yrs later adopted another baby girl. I think about what might have happened to my daughters had we decided to go IVF.
I wouldn't have it any other way. They are the absolute joy of our lives. God blessed us with 2 wonderful girls, but God blessed them with loving parents that care for them like nobody else could.
So for me as a Christian who believes a life is created at conception, it just felt like we were forcing something and trying to play God for our own selfish reason or wanting our own flesh and blood. But in reality maybe God had us not conceive and have issues because these 2 little girls were what God had for us. That's just me and what we felt.

Pettitfogger, that is amazing. So awesome.

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Abortion is a clear intent to end a life. Where as IVF is trying to start a life.

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Your thoughts on the below (philosophical question):

Doesn't modern medecine hazard the destruction of life or mangling of life when it chooses to pursue the creation of life via this method?

Put another way, if I am choosing a method which knowingly risks the destruction of embryos or mangling of embryos either during artificially fostered conception or during storage or during artificially assisted implantation, do I not have some conscious/positive action on my part which resulted in harm or death to embryos (human life)?

Do we have reasonable certainty that IVF procedures do not "as a amateur of course" adversely affect embryos? Why then are embryos periodically thawed, checked, and either discarded or refrozen?

This is a charged issue and infertility is an obstacle and condition I pray for science to remedy without our current methods.

I see IVF as an unfortunate example where "might" (the ability of science to attempt to replicate/replace the natural) and desire make for "right".

We know in our gut that freezing and thawing genetic material such as produce and food stuffs leads to lower quality in a culinary setting...do we not have any reason the pause when we think of doing this with embryos?

It's interesting that the relatively moderate folks who are non-Christian would possibly look at AI and see possible danger in the future...

But not look at IVF and see the future potential for just growing humans without humans and the moral implications of that.

There is no doubt that IVF creates abortions...

And no doubt that it possibly leads in some very dangerous and morally complex directions that I don't think we want as a human race.

BUT the ends justify the means to some.

It’s an abortion if you are a complete retard virtue signaler

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Yes - as do other types of external fertilization techniques.

I think IVF is unethical, immoral, and sinful.

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This is the correct answer.