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re: Does anyone understand why having the National Guard helping defeat crime is a bad thing?
Posted on 8/26/25 at 1:33 pm to northshorebamaman
Posted on 8/26/25 at 1:33 pm to northshorebamaman
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Or do you mean station them at police stations in lieu of monthly training? That's more feasible, but training still needs to happen. Soldiers have to stay qualified on their weapons and MOS at minimum. I'm not familiar with guard contracts and if they specifically hard-cap training at "one weekend a month, two weeks a year", but if so they'd likely have to find some way around that to add a couple more days for training every month.
Basically you have to do 48 drill periods a year. 1 drill period is half a day. So a weekend would be 4 drill periods. For more complex training events like live fire ranges you’ll do a 6 or 7 driller and show up on Thursday night or Friday morning. I’ve heard of more specialized units like SF doing week long drill periods once a quarter so they can jump/dive/shoot or whatever other cool guy stuff they do.
The problem is most of these events are centered around the weekends because guardsmen have civilian jobs or are in college. So basically you could have extra guardsmen on the weekends to help the cops but Mon-Fri I guess the thugs can roam free.
I suppose there could be a deal where you basically gave a week a quarter up to go play cop and rotate everyone in the guard through that cycle so you’d always have SOME guardsmen augmenting the police.
But then they don’t get their regular army type training in and would still have to do things like PHA/rifle qual/PT test.
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although I've heard plenty of claims about drill weekends being beer and barbecue with a PT test or range thrown in
Yeah I’d heard that too and then came over to the guard from the Marines and the first thing they did was send me to JRTC
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Posted on 8/26/25 at 1:35 pm to SlowFlowPro
Hmmm, let's see. Send in the guard where there is no emergency or threat of insurrection.....States Rights be damned
Federal interference with local bail laws.
Federal government taking equity stakes in private corporations.....but not voting positions.....yet
But MAGA is conservative and for less intrusive Federal government.....except...........
Federal interference with local bail laws.
Federal government taking equity stakes in private corporations.....but not voting positions.....yet
But MAGA is conservative and for less intrusive Federal government.....except...........
Posted on 8/26/25 at 1:39 pm to jp4lsu
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it will just go back to being crime ridden city when they leave.
Will it? After decades of DC residents being told that nothing could be done, Trump has proven that something CAN be done. ENFORCE THE LAW. It works.
There has been over 1000 arrests, so far. In a few more weeks, they will have removed thousands of criminals from the streets. No doubt, the DC government is trying to figure out how to get these criminals back on the streets, but it won't be a good PR move. One percent of the population is responsible for almost 2/3s of the violent crime. If they can put that 1% out of commission, the crime will turn around very quickly.
Once the National Guard leaves, do you think the citizens will insist that the DC police step up and do what the NG did? My guess is, yes. They will demand it.
Trump is just showing them that they can clean up their cities without violating people's civil rights and the citizens don't have to accept high crime and homeless people in the streets.
Posted on 8/26/25 at 1:49 pm to Vacherie Saint
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Oh STFU. No one complained, left or right, when Obama was deploying the guard all over the country -including DC- to clean up the goddamned riots started by left-wing agitators over a lie.
Which instances were these? I admittedly don't remember myself so I asked Grok to list every instance the NG was activated to quell civil unrest during his terms and who activated them and it gave me this:
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Date: August 18, 2014 (initial deployment; extended through November 2014)
Event/Location: Ferguson unrest (Ferguson, Missouri)
Description: Protests and riots erupted after the police shooting of Michael Brown, escalating into violence including looting and clashes with police. The Guard was deployed for security, command post protection, and to support law enforcement during periods of unrest, including after the grand jury decision not to indict the officer.
Activated By: Governor Jay Nixon (Missouri)
Date: April 27, 2015
Event/Location: Baltimore riots (Baltimore, Maryland)
Description: Riots and protests broke out following the death of Freddie Gray in police custody, involving arson, looting, and violence against police. Up to 5,000 Guard troops were mobilized to restore order and support local authorities.
Activated By: Governor Larry Hogan (Maryland)
Date: August 14, 2016
Event/Location: Milwaukee riots (Milwaukee, Wisconsin)
Description: Unrest and riots followed the police shooting of Sylville Smith, including arson and clashes on the city's north side. The Guard was activated on standby and deployed to assist if needed, though the situation calmed relatively quickly.
Activated By: Governor Scott Walker (Wisconsin)
Date: September 8, 2016 (ongoing through early 2017)
Event/Location: Standing Rock protests (Cannon Ball, North Dakota)
Description: Protests against the Dakota Access Pipeline involved clashes between demonstrators and law enforcement, with reports of violence and property damage. The Guard was activated for traffic checkpoints, security, and support amid escalating tensions.
Activated By: Governor Jack Dalrymple (North Dakota)
Date: September 21, 2016
Event/Location: Charlotte riots (Charlotte, North Carolina)
Description: Protests turned violent after the police shooting of Keith Lamont Scott, leading to riots, looting, and injuries to officers. The Guard was deployed following a state of emergency to help maintain order.
Activated By: Governor Pat McCrory (North Carolina)
Now I'm well aware that Grok isn't perfect so if it missed something or you have info contrary to what it listed please feel free to post it.
Posted on 8/26/25 at 1:51 pm to HeadCall
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Yeah I’d heard that too and then came over to the guard from the Marines and the first thing they did was send me to JRTC
Posted on 8/26/25 at 1:52 pm to SlowFlowPro
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The problem that y'all have is thinking that government does things with real results
I’m sorry… isn’t your entire premise in this thread that “violent crime is falling” derived from government data?? And you are ignorantly repeating it as the gospel truth?
Posted on 8/26/25 at 1:54 pm to CleverUserName
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isn’t your entire premise in this thread that “violent crime is falling” derived from government data?? And you are ignorantly repeating it as the gospel truth?
That is completely non-responsive to my post and especially what you quoted
Posted on 8/26/25 at 1:56 pm to Gorilla Ball
Wait for Democrats to use the guard for their "climate emergencies" to force you to stay in your home.
Posted on 8/26/25 at 1:57 pm to SlowFlowPro
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That is completely non-responsive to my post and especially what you quoted
You would know… you completely ignored my post with links, including from the Obama justice department, about government fudging the crime statistics while you keep saying…”Look at da statishsticks!!!!” The graffff!! The line goes dat way!!!”
This post was edited on 8/26/25 at 1:57 pm
Posted on 8/26/25 at 1:57 pm to Gorilla Ball
First, the National Guard aren’t trained in law enforcement and can ending up causing real harm rather than helping.
Second, most citizens ?simply don’t want military ( especially if armed) patrolling their streets, other than a few people who are frustrated with crime and speaking emotionally.?
Second, most citizens ?simply don’t want military ( especially if armed) patrolling their streets, other than a few people who are frustrated with crime and speaking emotionally.?
Posted on 8/26/25 at 1:59 pm to VOR
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First, the National Guard aren’t trained in law enforcement and can ending up causing real harm rather than helping.
More harm than the murderers and car jackers are causing?
Posted on 8/26/25 at 1:59 pm to Sull
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Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! Isaiah 5:20
How can anyone downvote this? Even atheists should agree with the point of this.
The only explanation I can think of is that evil people would downvote this.
Posted on 8/26/25 at 2:05 pm to Gorilla Ball
Because democrats are basically evil
Posted on 8/26/25 at 2:06 pm to HeadCall
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Yeah I’d heard that too and then came over to the guard from the Marines and the first thing they did was send me to JRTC
Just a big vacation at Polk with beer and BBQ, right?
Posted on 8/26/25 at 2:06 pm to VOR
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First, the National Guard aren’t trained in law enforcement and can ending up causing real harm rather than helping.
Go on. Like what?
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other than a few people who are frustrated with crime and speaking emotionally.?
What crime? Listening to the leftist mayors and administraton, crime is well under control. Which is it?
And a leftist claiming others are “speaking emotionally”. You may go back to bawling at your ICE protest now.
Posted on 8/26/25 at 2:09 pm to northshorebamaman
No, not permanent, but a presence could be permanent, at minimum 3 dat weekends (tourism and most functions happen then)
Yes, instead of those weekend trainings being a joke, place them at random positions in the city as a deterrent and backup support riles to local and state pd.
Point being, we pay for their school and they are contractually obligated to do those trainings...why not use to support crime prevention?
In 2023, we had 430,000 full and part time NG
Yes, instead of those weekend trainings being a joke, place them at random positions in the city as a deterrent and backup support riles to local and state pd.
Point being, we pay for their school and they are contractually obligated to do those trainings...why not use to support crime prevention?
In 2023, we had 430,000 full and part time NG
Posted on 8/26/25 at 2:09 pm to Flats
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Just a big vacation at Polk with beer and BBQ, right?
Oh yeah man. It was a blast. The best part was it was literally the first time I’d actually put on an Army uniform so my OCPs were brand new, all stiff and starchy. Perfect for July in Louisiana.
Posted on 8/26/25 at 2:11 pm to BamaCoaster
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Mayor of Chicago was on morning Joe.
Joe asked, three straight times, Will having an extra 5k troops on the streets help? The dude refused to answer
The Demo memo said to stick with the narrative. No Trump troops, even if we keep killing each other in record numbers.
Posted on 8/26/25 at 2:15 pm to ChatGPT of LA
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Point being, we pay for their school and they are contractually obligated to do those trainings...why not use to support crime prevention?
I’m pretty sure Big Army(federal government) pays for their training and pay for regular drill weekends. Which means Big Army would be paying these troops to police local municipalities when what they want to be paying for is to train a reserve force to augment the regular army in case of war.
Unless you put them under State Active Duty orders, in which case the state pays. I don’t know all the particulars off hand.
Posted on 8/26/25 at 2:30 pm to HeadCall
quote:I was always suspicious about the "beer and barbecue" stories. Sounds like shite the NG recruiters made up so we'd join after leaving AD.
Oh yeah man. It was a blast.
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