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Does anyone seriously think we’re heading for a recession?
Posted on 8/5/19 at 8:28 pm
Posted on 8/5/19 at 8:28 pm
A coworker of mine is a self proclaimed libertarian/never Trumper. He’s always rambling on about how orange man is bad. Today, he was all in on the recession train. Does anyone seriously thing the trade war with China will tank the US economy?
Posted on 8/5/19 at 8:31 pm to Chef Curry
Personally I have no idea.
But that's the only scenario that I can see where Trump would be in trouble in November 2020. imo a large part of Trump's base isn't as solid as many think, and a lot of folks are sticking by him and justifying all of the strange Twitter rants and oddball behavior because the economy is humming.
But that's the only scenario that I can see where Trump would be in trouble in November 2020. imo a large part of Trump's base isn't as solid as many think, and a lot of folks are sticking by him and justifying all of the strange Twitter rants and oddball behavior because the economy is humming.
Posted on 8/5/19 at 8:31 pm to Chef Curry
No, our economy will be fine.
And if 2020 goes our way then China will sign a trade deal fair to both sides and our economy will take off.
And if 2020 goes our way then China will sign a trade deal fair to both sides and our economy will take off.
Posted on 8/5/19 at 8:35 pm to bird35
China just devalued it’s currency, means everything from there is cheaper, and we cut rates, while we are the best place to invest. Money should be flooding in to our markets, stay fast.....
Posted on 8/5/19 at 8:36 pm to Chef Curry
Most say we are due for a contraction at least. Mostly due to many flags (I.e inverted yield curve) that indicate it. The inverted yield curve has predicted 9/10 of the last recessions. The Fed will attempt to head it off but cutting rates. Which is what they did last week. They tried to do so in 2008 but it was too late but there were several other factor similar present in 2008 that aren’t present now in terms of economic indicators.
In other words, it depends on the type of recession we are talking about here. The have been minor pullbacks over the last several cycles. It’s the depth and longevity on which it takes for a recovery that should or should not concern us.
Most people I speak with do agree a small contraction is likely. A deep recession is unlikely.
I’m a MAGA and am speaking in terms of economics not politics.
In other words, it depends on the type of recession we are talking about here. The have been minor pullbacks over the last several cycles. It’s the depth and longevity on which it takes for a recovery that should or should not concern us.
Most people I speak with do agree a small contraction is likely. A deep recession is unlikely.
I’m a MAGA and am speaking in terms of economics not politics.
This post was edited on 8/5/19 at 8:38 pm
Posted on 8/5/19 at 8:38 pm to Chef Curry
My buddy who is a high net worth broker dude told me his high net worth frickers are all sitting on a bunch of cash in anticipation. I think this is the middle class equivalent of saving your dollar bills all month for the strip club, but not sure.
Posted on 8/5/19 at 8:39 pm to Chef Curry
quote:
libertarian/never Trumper.
I agree with libertarians on a lot of things but these people are the worst.
Do they think they'll get more of their libertarian agenda implemented if a democrat is President?
Posted on 8/5/19 at 8:40 pm to Chef Curry
Personally, I think we are in a small recession now. Then I think it will be over around December to March time. Then expansionary period again going into reelection.
Posted on 8/5/19 at 8:45 pm to RiseUpATL
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Most people I speak with do agree a small contraction is likely. A deep recession is unlikely.
Do you member the days when 18,000 Dow was a roaring economy?
I seem to, but this is not my wheelhouse and you seem to know what your talking about more so than I so I'll defer.
Just seems that with trading soaring so high, and the rest of the economy doing well, it would be easier to absorb than the '07-'08 dive.
Posted on 8/5/19 at 9:23 pm to Chef Curry
Yes, eventually we will have another recession
Posted on 8/5/19 at 9:50 pm to PhDoogan
It’s all relative my man. A rising tide raises all ships. Our high water mark is just higher now for what constitutes a recession. The bar has been raised. So 18,000 points might well be a recession in today’s economy.
Again, sell high and buy low. If we do see a contraction stay the course in the market. Don’t spook. Unfortunate too many folks get scared and sell off to preserve cash and savings. But those are the folks that think they can throw all of their free cash flow into the market to increase their returns but the fact is the only feel smart when the market is up and rising. In reality they’ve out leveraged their assets and can’t afford a dip.
I can’t say if a recession is near. All I can point to are the economic factors indicative of a pullback that are present currently. Investors can make of them what they will. I agree with the poster above that we trend towards the thought that we are currently in a bit of a contraction with rate cuts and inverted yield curves present. The market also appears to be very volatile to economic shifts. When a market is expanding things like currency devaluations have less of an impact on investors because they feel bullish on other sectors of the economy as a whole.
I think we will be fine. This is temporary and hardly a bubble buster.
Again, sell high and buy low. If we do see a contraction stay the course in the market. Don’t spook. Unfortunate too many folks get scared and sell off to preserve cash and savings. But those are the folks that think they can throw all of their free cash flow into the market to increase their returns but the fact is the only feel smart when the market is up and rising. In reality they’ve out leveraged their assets and can’t afford a dip.
I can’t say if a recession is near. All I can point to are the economic factors indicative of a pullback that are present currently. Investors can make of them what they will. I agree with the poster above that we trend towards the thought that we are currently in a bit of a contraction with rate cuts and inverted yield curves present. The market also appears to be very volatile to economic shifts. When a market is expanding things like currency devaluations have less of an impact on investors because they feel bullish on other sectors of the economy as a whole.
I think we will be fine. This is temporary and hardly a bubble buster.
Posted on 8/5/19 at 9:59 pm to Chef Curry
Sure, sometime. Great economic times are never permenant.
Posted on 8/5/19 at 10:01 pm to Chef Curry
Wall Street loves volatility in the market. They are making big bucks right now on put options and calls on the vix (volatility index). In a week or so when the narrative doesn’t make sense for the market to go lower, they make the same big money on the way up. Recession isn’t even close.
This post was edited on 8/5/19 at 10:09 pm
Posted on 8/5/19 at 10:02 pm to RiseUpATL
70% of the US GDP is internal. 30% is international. Of that 30%, 15% is directly China. If a recession occurs it wont be bc of China. (fwiw, this is not my personal opinion, but my sources are the highest of US and international finance that i receive on a daily basus).
This post was edited on 8/5/19 at 10:07 pm
Posted on 8/5/19 at 10:03 pm to LSUBanker
Agreed. Not nearly a bubble buster for sure.
Posted on 8/5/19 at 10:05 pm to RogerTheShrubber
If this is great economic times I never want to see a depression.
It will be violent as frick.
Area where I live there is definitely no economic expansion at all and more homeless bums everywhere. Can't go grab a bite to eat without being absconded by someone wanting some money for their ride to Shreveport.
Wasn't nearly this bad just 10 years ago.
I'm sure some parts of the nation are seeing growth and that is great. Just not here. And here is where I live.
It will be violent as frick.
Area where I live there is definitely no economic expansion at all and more homeless bums everywhere. Can't go grab a bite to eat without being absconded by someone wanting some money for their ride to Shreveport.
Wasn't nearly this bad just 10 years ago.
I'm sure some parts of the nation are seeing growth and that is great. Just not here. And here is where I live.
This post was edited on 8/5/19 at 10:08 pm
Posted on 8/5/19 at 10:06 pm to Chef Curry
What's unfortunate is you are seeing more older people take risk in equities because they aren't getting paid on safe assets. This is a unique market we haven't seen in a long long time. I don't think we will see a recession but more of a stagflation type situation comparable to the lost decade in Japan. I was against a rate cut because it is the last juice we have left after the tax cuts unless the government just starts giving everyone checks.
Posted on 8/5/19 at 10:15 pm to Chef Curry
I'm hoping we don't drop off a cliff,but I'm holding off my retirement to see how long this juiced economy will last.
This is uncharted ground so I'm not taking anything for granted.
I am taking advantage of highs though.
I entered the market after the last crash and I'm not thinking this will last many years longer.
I just hope our country can survive the eventual melt down.It's happened before,it will happen again.
This is uncharted ground so I'm not taking anything for granted.
I am taking advantage of highs though.
I entered the market after the last crash and I'm not thinking this will last many years longer.
I just hope our country can survive the eventual melt down.It's happened before,it will happen again.
Posted on 8/5/19 at 10:25 pm to Clark14
I have concerns all of Trumps Corporate deregulation could lead to another 2008 crash.
Posted on 8/5/19 at 10:38 pm to Chef Curry
quote:Gary Shilling says we're already in one. Most say the chance of recession this year is very low. Overall though, economists are rating chance of recession in 2020 at about 50:50 or higher. (FWIW, 50:50 represents lower odds than the recession predictions which predated a presumed HRC Presidency)
Does anyone seriously think we’re heading for a recession?
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