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re: Does anyone here on this board have the balls to say they oppose weed legalization?

Posted on 1/5/18 at 2:36 pm to
Posted by Jjdoc
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Posted on 1/5/18 at 2:36 pm to
Friend was stoned and was blindside as he ran a red light. He was simple zoned out.
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
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Posted on 1/5/18 at 2:37 pm to
But it hasnt.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 1/5/18 at 2:38 pm to
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But it hasnt.


What hasn't?
Posted by Jjdoc
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Posted on 1/5/18 at 2:39 pm to
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None of it has.

The only reasons to support the drug war are


We dont have a drug war. We have a pretend war.

We want to end it we could.
Posted by LSUintheNW
At your mom’s house
Member since Aug 2009
36972 posts
Posted on 1/5/18 at 2:40 pm to
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being high, driving in the fast lane at 35mph and thinking you're driving 85mph.


Gotta use cruise control my brother.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 1/5/18 at 2:41 pm to
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We want to end it we could.


You sound like liberals justifying socialism

How could we end it?
Posted by LSUintheNW
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Posted on 1/5/18 at 2:41 pm to
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We dont have a drug war. We have a pretend war.


To the tune of about 40+ billion a year. This doesn't include aid given to Columbia and other countries. For what?

You cannot stop the flow.
Posted by Guava Jelly
Bawston
Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 1/5/18 at 2:41 pm to
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Is treatment up 60%? Yes. Who is paying for it. There is the problem hero.



OK, hero. Read this WHOLE post and maybe you'll catch up.

The penal system is flooded with nonviolent drug offenders (housing and feeding inmates is expensive, BTW). There are separate courts specifically tasked with drug litigation. There is an entire branch of the federal government tasked with enforcing drug laws.

The government mechanism responsible for drug enforcement (just in Marijuana cases) costs taxpayers $20 BILLION annually.

Tell me, what's more expensive a $20 billion annual bill, or a 60% increase in treatment for addicts?

You're a smart guy. I'm sure you can see you've lost this fight.
This post was edited on 1/5/18 at 2:42 pm
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
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Posted on 1/5/18 at 2:41 pm to
No... it wont. The problem here is the fact that you want your freedom, but then want others to pay for it when people get hooked.

Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
55659 posts
Posted on 1/5/18 at 2:43 pm to
The problem is that I didnt hook you, and should not be responsible for your actions.
Posted by LSUintheNW
At your mom’s house
Member since Aug 2009
36972 posts
Posted on 1/5/18 at 2:43 pm to
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Friend was stoned and was blindside as he ran a red light. He was simple zoned out.


Sounds like he needs to look at himself and realize his weakness.

I'm still one of the best drivers on the road when on my "meds".
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 1/5/18 at 2:46 pm to
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No... it wont. The problem here is the fact that you want your freedom, but then want others to pay for it when people get hooked.


Link?

I prefer people pay for it themselves

However, we've spent a trillion on the losing drug war, rehab is muuuuch less expensive
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
55659 posts
Posted on 1/5/18 at 2:46 pm to
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You sound like liberals justifying socialism


Nope. That is what people are advocating with healthcare burden that will... WILL come with legalized drugs.
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
55659 posts
Posted on 1/5/18 at 2:49 pm to
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How could we end it?


- build wall.

- kill the cartels by treating them as terrorists

- label them as a foreign army.


Start taking them out literally. It will end
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 1/5/18 at 2:50 pm to
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Nope. That is what people are advocating with healthcare burden that will... WILL come with legalized drugs.


And it will be cheaper than prohibition.

Imagine that. Safer, cheaper and....FREEDOM
Posted by Guava Jelly
Bawston
Member since Jul 2009
11960 posts
Posted on 1/5/18 at 2:50 pm to
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No... it wont

Yes. It will. It takes literally 30 seconds of research to prove that point.

quote:

The problem here is the fact that you want your freedom,

No. I want fewer people in prison (freedom for nonviolent pot offenders), more people clean (freedom from addiction), increased tax revenue (freedom from increased individual income tax), a decreased burden on the penal and healthcare systems (see above), a brand new multi-billion dollar industry (freedom to contract) which will create many thousands of jobs (freedom from poverty).

Freedom for all.

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but then want others to pay for it when people get hooked.

Marijuana is not a physically addictive substance. Just concede this point. It's not even an argument anymore.

Also, you're making up this increased financial burden. Basic mathematics refutes the point you're trying to make.
Posted by LSUintheNW
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Member since Aug 2009
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Posted on 1/5/18 at 2:53 pm to
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kill the cartels by treating them as terrorists

- label them as a foreign army.


Start taking them out literally. It will end


With that much money out there to be made there will ALWAYS be others ready to fill the gap.

Decriminalize everything and in 10 years the value will bottom out and there won't be a reason to import cocaine and heroin.

Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 1/5/18 at 2:54 pm to
quote:

quote:
How could we end it?


- build wall.

- kill the cartels by treating them as terrorists

- label them as a foreign army.


Start taking them out literally. It will end




Kill people for selling a plant

You really are economically illiterate. Killing the cartel will drive up the cost of drugs and make society more dangerous. The demand is never going away.

You need a simple macro class
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 1/5/18 at 2:55 pm to
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With that much money out there to be made there will ALWAYS be others ready to fill the gap.


Yep.
Posted by doverstutts
Member since Jul 2017
1070 posts
Posted on 1/5/18 at 2:56 pm to
i do and enforce all laws, use the death penalty,and make selling drugs a capital offense and make prisoner work while in prison,crime would go down to hardly nothing
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