re: Does anyone else find themselves questioning a lot of the Civil Rights propaganda…

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The truth you probably won’t hear, is many black people actually liked segregation.

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I don't know how anyone could deny this obvious truth. At least on the campuses. It isn't white people calling for separate dorms, separate graduation ceremonies, separate social functions, separate study areas.

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Why is voting a fundamental human right?

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Do you believe humans have a right to self-determination? Voting is the elegant solution to a long pattern of violence by lower classes against the smaller wealth owning classes. If you started listing the many peasant revolts through history against the aristocracy, you’d see it wasn’t a very stable arrangement, as it required lots of organization to suppress a revolt, and wasn’t exactly the most efficient means of getting something productive out of the land.

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Is it a fundamental human right for a 10 year old to vote? How about someone who is not a citizen? How about someone who mentally incapacitated?

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Those are societal level concerns which come after affording every human basic human dignity. It seems you are arguing for a state of power relations that could only exist in a place where there was little technological advancement. It isn’t a stable relationship and it turned out to be completely unstable once the pace of industrialization outpaced the ability of the aristocracy to effectively organize against it. We might reach that state again if technological advancement is stunted for a period of time, but almost assuredly you and most other people would not be part of the in-group.

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It was organized and pushed by “others” not even from that region.

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New York City red diaper doper babies, bolshevist agents. Just like the ones that gave the Soviet Union the H-Bomb

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I don't know if you can justifiably say they liked it but they were comfortable.

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What's really destroyed Black (and other poor) communities isn't desegregation. It's the rise of government dependency programs that have destroyed the work ethics, family formations, and removal of personal responsibilities for basic life function.

Rolling those back makes a hell of a lot more sense than bringing segregation back. Though, it's probably way too late for that without a lot of violence.

Much of America’s “middle class” was built with GI Bill benefits given to veterans of WWII. Southern politicians largely demanded the states be deputized to dole out the benefits. Across the board, this meant living stipends, education grants, and housing subsidies were overwhelmingly denied to the roughly 1.2 million black American veterans.

It is really hard to understand how transformative the GI bill was for white vs black American households.

“In 1947, only 2 of the more than 3,200 VA-guaranteed home loans in 13 Mississippi cities went to Black borrowers. “These impediments were not confined to the South,” notes historian Ira Katznelson. “In New York and the northern New Jersey suburbs, fewer than 100 of the 67,000 mortgages insured by the GI bill supported home purchases by non-whites.”

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What's really destroyed Black (and other poor) communities isn't desegregation. It's the rise of government dependency programs t

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Correct

This thread reminds me of discussing why/how the political pendulum swings.

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Do you actually want to compare the standard of living in present-day subSaharan Africa to the average standard of living for present-day American blacks? Really?

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Would they be the same today if a massive slave trade didn’t depopulate and destabilize the continent?

Yes

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You know it was blacks that kidnapped and sold them right?

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That different African tribes did not identify themselves with each other isn’t all that meaningful a point. They considered themselves enemies and made the same political calculus that humans have made everywhere through history.

Okay gramps.