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re: Do you think you will personally witness severe persecution of Christians in this country?
Posted on 7/7/23 at 3:21 pm to Mike da Tigah
Posted on 7/7/23 at 3:21 pm to Mike da Tigah
This was a Robert Jeffress sermon word for word.
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Posted on 7/7/23 at 4:03 pm to Mike da Tigah
Christians are being demonized and blamed for all the world's problems.
This is exactly what Germany did to the Jewish people.
It eventually went from taking away their rights to concentration camps and extermination.
The Germans and organizations that stood up for the Jewish people were tortured and executed.
The same is starting to happen with Christians. Defend them now. If you're not a Christian, still speak up. Christians did speak up for the Jewish people.
Eventually no one will speak up. History will ask why this was allowed to happen. History repeats.
This is exactly what Germany did to the Jewish people.
It eventually went from taking away their rights to concentration camps and extermination.
The Germans and organizations that stood up for the Jewish people were tortured and executed.
The same is starting to happen with Christians. Defend them now. If you're not a Christian, still speak up. Christians did speak up for the Jewish people.
Eventually no one will speak up. History will ask why this was allowed to happen. History repeats.
Posted on 7/7/23 at 4:04 pm to Mike da Tigah
I'm 40, so I'll probably be around another 30-40 years.
No. I will not witness this.
The US is currently about 2/3 Christian, so it's unlikely that by the time I die, it's less than 1/2.
No. I will not witness this.
The US is currently about 2/3 Christian, so it's unlikely that by the time I die, it's less than 1/2.
Posted on 7/7/23 at 4:10 pm to Jimmy Montrose
quote:Of course you are correct, but I was trying to stay on the "COVID persecution" topic.
How de facto privileged must a group be, to feel that it is being “persecuted“ for not being given de jure exemptions from rules and legislation which applied to absolutely everyone else?quote:
It worse than that. They feel "persecuted" when they aren't allowed to impose duties and take rights away from others.
Posted on 7/7/23 at 4:14 pm to EZE Tiger Fan
quote:
Why do you insist on lying about this?
I mean, it’s AggieHank. That’s what he does. It is who he is.
Posted on 7/7/23 at 4:16 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
The US is currently about 2/3 Christian
In name only.
The number willing to face actual persecution for following Christ is much, much smaller.
This post was edited on 7/7/23 at 4:18 pm
Posted on 7/7/23 at 4:17 pm to EZE Tiger Fan
quote:If you are going to accuse a person of lying, show the balls to demonstrate EXACTLY what false statement you claim he has made.quote:Why do you insist on lying about this?
How de facto privileged must a group be, to feel that it is being “persecuted“ for not being given de jure exemptions from rules and legislation which applied to absolutely everyone else?
As I interpret your post, the feds made exceptions for the George Floyd funeral observances, so that means that Christians were being persecuted for not receiving a blanket exception for all worship services. Apologies, but that is just silly.
This post was edited on 7/7/23 at 4:20 pm
Posted on 7/7/23 at 4:17 pm to Mike da Tigah
quote:Have we not already gone there?
3) Those refusing to celebrate are condemned
Posted on 7/7/23 at 4:21 pm to SlowFlowPro
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The US is currently about 2/3 Christian
Except that it’s really not.
Actual Christians comprise about 10% or less of the US population. And 10% is probably generous.
However, if you define as, “Christian,” anyone who identifies as Christian because grandma went to church and was a Southern Baptist, but they, themselves, haven’t attended a church at all in the last year (except, perhaps, Easter or Christmas Eve); don’t attend church regularly; don’t pray; don’t read their Bible; are completely ignorant of basic Christian doctrine, don’t live by the standards set forth by the Bible; believe that “it doesn’t matter what you believe as long as you’re a good person;” and who otherwise denounces Christian doctrine and orthodoxy when it’s socially convenient, then, yeah- probably 2/3 of the population are “Christian.”
This post was edited on 7/7/23 at 4:22 pm
Posted on 7/7/23 at 4:24 pm to Chancellor
quote:quote:Except that it’s really not. Actual Christians comprise about 10% or less of the US population. And 10% is probably generous.
The US is currently about 2/3 Christian
Posted on 7/7/23 at 4:28 pm to AggieHank86
He said it depends on the definition you choose.
You obviously think it's accurate to go with the nominal definition.
That's fine, but I'm not sure it is the best one to use in the context of a group facing persecution and the argument that it won't happen because there are too many of them in the country.
Assuming your nominal definition, sure, there are a bunch of them, but to his point, very few who will stand up to persecution.
Which is the point of the discussion.
You obviously think it's accurate to go with the nominal definition.
That's fine, but I'm not sure it is the best one to use in the context of a group facing persecution and the argument that it won't happen because there are too many of them in the country.
Assuming your nominal definition, sure, there are a bunch of them, but to his point, very few who will stand up to persecution.
Which is the point of the discussion.
Posted on 7/7/23 at 4:29 pm to Chancellor
quote:Goodness.
Actual Christians comprise about 10% or less of the US population
Coming from the Catholics ain't real Christians camp, no doubt.
Posted on 7/7/23 at 4:30 pm to DefensorFortis
Ukraine right now.
Posted on 7/7/23 at 4:31 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
Goodness. Coming from the Catholics ain't real Christians camp, no doubt.
Nope.
Posted on 7/7/23 at 4:31 pm to wackatimesthree
quote:So, the question NOW is whether Christian zealots will be routinely subjected to "severe persecution?"
Assuming your nominal definition, sure, there are a bunch of them, but to his point, very few who will stand up to persecution.
The answer is still "no," but it is a different question.
Posted on 7/7/23 at 4:32 pm to Dex Morgan
quote:
quote:Well they’re a lot more respectable than anyone on the left, especially Jews Oh my.
We've flattened their fingers
We've branded their buns
Nothing is working!
SEND IN THE NUNS!
Posted on 7/7/23 at 4:50 pm to Mike da Tigah
What a long winded whiner you are.
Define severe persecution.
Public/Private criticism of your faith is what you are supposed to expect and endure.
Cultural rejection is and was always part of Jesus's messages.
I believe you are voicing your own lack of faith and displaying your own fear of whatever.
Your longing for worldly power is shameful.
Define severe persecution.
Public/Private criticism of your faith is what you are supposed to expect and endure.
Cultural rejection is and was always part of Jesus's messages.
I believe you are voicing your own lack of faith and displaying your own fear of whatever.
Your longing for worldly power is shameful.
Posted on 7/7/23 at 4:57 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
The US is currently about 2/3 Christian
Baw, I’d bet that 2/3 of Christians aren’t Christians.
Matthew 7:21–23 (NASB95): “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.
22 “Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many ?miracles?’
23 “And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.’
Do you really believe that 2/3 people are doing the will of the Father?
Posted on 7/7/23 at 4:59 pm to Jimmy Montrose
quote:
It worse than that. They feel "persecuted" when they aren't allowed to impose duties and take rights away from others.
Can you please provide some examples of these imposed duties and withheld rights?
Posted on 7/11/23 at 10:54 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:
Well, lay it out.
Lay it out?
How about look around a little?
You think Christians aren't being persecuted in Kosovo, Turkey and Albania? Seriously?
Does google work on your computer?
This post was edited on 7/11/23 at 10:55 pm
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