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re: Do You People Want Every Single Illegal Immigrant Deported No Matter What?
Posted on 12/2/16 at 10:14 am to Navajo61490
Posted on 12/2/16 at 10:14 am to Navajo61490
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if they have a job an contribute to society i would be perfectly ok with the government helping them go about becoming a citizen legally.
Yup.
Law breakers all gone asap.
Just got here? Gone asap.
The rest who are working get a long path to citizenship if they want but must get on a guest worker program and start paying some taxes or you are gone asap.
Just a start.
This post was edited on 12/2/16 at 10:16 am
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Posted on 12/2/16 at 10:14 am to AlaTiger
quote:
Do You People Want Every Single Illegal Immigrant Deported No Matter What?
No
Posted on 12/2/16 at 10:17 am to AlaTiger
IF the only choices are Open Borders vs Your Idea, then, I say YES.
Posted on 12/2/16 at 10:21 am to mattloc
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Most of these "victims" were impoverished, that is why they left their country. They were then given free education, welfare and health care they would have never had in their own country. These freebies were all funded by the taxpayers of this country. Our children will be paying the debt for our generosity. I sympathize with them, but we can't afford to support their overwhelming numbers any longer. It is them or us fiscally speaking. We cant afford to permit the mindset of government dependence to destroy our way of life.
So, you want them deported because of what was done to them, even though now they are in a place in life where they can work, pay taxes, create wealth, contribute, and help repay what was spent on them? You want to spend a whole lot of money on sending them through immigration courts and deporting them (because you will have to do that because they aren't leaving - they have nowhere to go) with all that would cost because of what happened in the past instead of letting them pay it back?
You don't care about fiscal sanity or our economy, because your solution actually costs the taxpayer even more money. You just want them gone and are dressing it up with false reasoning.
Posted on 12/2/16 at 10:23 am to Champagne
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IF the only choices are Open Borders vs Your Idea, then, I say YES.
That is a false dichotomy. Trump is going to secure the border, build a wall, and get rid of all the criminal illegals. He is going to do this so fast it will make your head spin. So, no, those aren't the only choices. We just had an election and elections have consequences. The wall will be built and the border will be secure.
Posted on 12/2/16 at 10:23 am to AlaTiger
That is amnesty. They broke the law and this is their pardon from the consequences. They won't be thrown in jail and won't be deported.
You progressives would never go for this because it would self deport millions of dem voters
You progressives would never go for this because it would self deport millions of dem voters
Posted on 12/2/16 at 10:23 am to goatmilker
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Yup.
Law breakers all gone asap.
Just got here? Gone asap.
The rest who are working get a long path to citizenship if they want but must get on a guest worker program and start paying some taxes or you are gone asap.
Just a start.
This sounds fair, just, and like something that would actually benefit America.
Posted on 12/2/16 at 10:25 am to bamafan1001
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That is amnesty. They broke the law and this is their pardon from the consequences. They won't be thrown in jail and won't be deported.
You progressives would never go for this because it would self deport millions of dem voters
It IS NOT AMNESTY. Amnesty means that you just pardon them free and clear tomorrow with no strings attached. That is amnesty. A PATHWAY means they pay and have to fulfill a bunch of requirements that will take up to 10 years. That is not amnesty. Words have meaning. You are using the wrong word and no one is talking about amnesty. No one has been talking about amnesty except for Ted Cruz and other liars who want to paint this out to be something it isn't for political purposes.
Posted on 12/2/16 at 10:26 am to AlaTiger
You seem very passionate about this matter?
What have you done about it in real life? Seriously. If you are this passionate, get involved for change.
What have you done about it in real life? Seriously. If you are this passionate, get involved for change.
Posted on 12/2/16 at 10:29 am to JGTiger
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Yes. If they really cared, they would have started the legal process to become a US citizen no mater when they were brought here. The fact that they did not and have continued their lives is a slap in the face to our laws & county. All 12+ million could stay here if they did things legally.
There IS NO LEGAL PROCESS TO BECOME A U.S. CITIZEN IF THEY CAME HERE ILLEGALLY.
Really. I am telling the truth. Look it up. There is no way for them to stay here legally and there is no process that they can apply for.
You really do not know what you are talking about here. Look it up.
DACA was "deferred action" in that it gave 2 years of protection from deportation and a work permit to children who were brought here illegally and who qualified. Republicans screamed it was "executive amnesty," which was a complete lie. It was "deferred action" so they could work. And, every 2 years they have to reapply for it. And, it was temporary.
Look it up. Our law is a mess.
Posted on 12/2/16 at 10:36 am to AlaTiger
Posted on 12/2/16 at 10:39 am to AlaTiger
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You don't care about fiscal sanity or our economy, because your solution actually costs the taxpayer even more money. You just want them gone and are dressing it up with false reasoning.
You are making the process much more difficult than it has to be. Start by immediately deporting all criminals, including those violated federal law by voting illegally. The rest should be given 6 months to register with INS. If they don't register... they are summarily deported. Then we can deal with those that remain in a humane fashion. with an idea of what we are dealing with and how much it will cost the taxpayers.
This idea that it would cost more to deport them, than to take of them for the rest of their lives, is the false premise of your argument.
Posted on 12/2/16 at 10:43 am to mattloc
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This idea that it would cost more to deport them, than to take of them for the rest of their lives
Eliminate the federal support (Medicaid, housing, & food stamps) and the first would take care of itself.
A few pennies spent to verify immigration status at welfare application points (Unemployment office, Labor and delivery ward, food stamp application) and you wouldn't have to spend shite on deportation attempts. They would leave voluntarily unless they are self sufficient. And I'm ok with those people staying.
Posted on 12/2/16 at 10:45 am to mattloc
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You are making the process much more difficult than it has to be. Start by immediately deporting all criminals, including those violated federal law by voting illegally. The rest should be given 6 months to register with INS. If they don't register... they are summarily deported. Then we can deal with those that remain in a humane fashion. with an idea of what we are dealing with and how much it will cost the taxpayers.
The kids who grew up here aren't leaving. They have nowhere to go. You really don't understand this situation.
And, they want to work and contribute. They aren't trying to live off the government. You are working off a false narrative.
Posted on 12/2/16 at 10:52 am to AlaTiger
quote:Correct, see my link?
The kids who grew up here aren't leaving.
So if that is true WTF are you so worried about?
Posted on 12/2/16 at 10:56 am to AlaTiger
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And, they want to work and contribute. They aren't trying to live off the government. You are working off a false narrative.
You are making alot of assumptions, and you appear to truly believe them, but you have bought into afalse liberal narrative that does not hold up under scrutiny.
More than half of households headed by immigrants in the county illegally, or 62 percent, received welfare benefits in 2012, according to a report released by the Center for Immigration Studies.
In the same time period, 49 percent of households headed by legal immigrants received welfare benefits, while 30 percent of households headed by natives received the same.
This post was edited on 12/2/16 at 10:58 am
Posted on 12/2/16 at 10:56 am to Jbird
I mean that they will not voluntarily deport because things get hard on them here. They don't have anywhere to go. They don't know where to go. They are Americans in everything but paperwork.
Posted on 12/2/16 at 10:58 am to AlaTiger
quote:You mean just the chirren.
I mean that they will not voluntarily deport because things get hard on them here.
Posted on 12/2/16 at 11:31 am to Navajo61490
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if they have a job an contribute to society i would be perfectly ok with the government helping them go about becoming a citizen legally.
I lived abroad legally and had my son abroad. I knew the laws and played by their laws. When I was told to leave because others could fill my job, I left. I knew the rules going in. I didn't cry or whine, I left because that was the law.
All illegals should be deported.
Posted on 12/2/16 at 11:51 am to AlaTiger
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Because the protection for DACA kids simply means that those brought here when they were children and who grew up here would have a chance to apply to stay. Because the law says that if you ever came here - or were brought here - or trafficked here - illegally, then you have no possible way to get legal no matter what you do. There is no line to get in and no way to get right with the law. None.
We are talking, in many cases, about kids brought here when they were 2, 3, 5 years old. They are now 16, 18, 20, 22 years old and for many of them, this is the only country they know. They did not choose to come here.
So, if my parents stole a Ferrari and gave it to me, I should get to keep it?
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