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re: Do You Believe in Absolute Morality?
Posted on 11/13/18 at 4:19 pm to WildManGoose
Posted on 11/13/18 at 4:19 pm to WildManGoose
quote:empathy is NOT a source of morality. it's a psychological response to stimuli. it does not describe/define deontology
It's developed through empathy
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Posted on 11/13/18 at 4:26 pm to ShoeBang
quote:you believe wrong. what you are describing is socio-cultural behavior. rousseau's social contract. utilitarianism. pragmatism. etc.
I believe it "evolved"
quote:how do you know someone is "good"?
"good" people
quote:some people would object to this statement.
Stealing from another is bad
quote:logic has nothing to do with this
Logic tells us this
it is eye opening to see people explain what they believe without any training.
Posted on 11/13/18 at 4:27 pm to NYNolaguy1
quote:
It's a recurring problem with moral absolutism
there is no problem. the only real problem is with moral relativism. it's self defeating.Posted on 11/13/18 at 4:32 pm to beerJeep
quote:
There is ALWAYS an exception to the rule. ALWAYS
holy cow. it's amazing that people can't see they are objecting to absolutes by making absolute statements. so the obvious question is, is there an exception to your absolute statement? you said there ALWAYS is. quote:what if the jew was a serial killer and the nazi was a humanitarian or the inventor of a cure for cancer?
I’d lie to a Nazi to hide my Jew neighbor. That isn’t wrong
quote:better compared to what?
Better to kill your enemy outright than allow him to live and sow resentment later down the road
quote:no exceptions?
Child rapist deserve no mercy
quote:yet another absolute statement
You can’t be 100% compassionate and 100% anti-murder
quote:
Absolutes are bad mmkay
this thread is comicalPosted on 11/13/18 at 4:34 pm to Ten Bears
quote:
morality as an objective construct cannot exist without it being a subjective construct
of course it can. in fact it does and you just proved it with your attempt at an objective statement. quote:
morality "evolves" from the 10 Commandments to the Sermon on the Mount
oh my. so in what verse did jesus reject the 10 commandments? check out the difference between mutually exclusive and complementary quote:only for immature/ignorant people
hat's when your conscience kicks in and morality becomes totally subjective
Posted on 11/13/18 at 4:36 pm to Zach
quote:wrong. did any of you even bother to google this topic?
Morality is choosing to do right when no one is looking
Posted on 11/13/18 at 4:37 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:that's not the question. the question is what standard the exceptions are based on
In practical application, there are exceptions
Posted on 11/13/18 at 4:42 pm to beerJeep
quote:you three are never going to solve any of this until you acknowledge that you are talking past each other.
Zach
NYNolaguy1
beerJeep
the real question you need to ask each other is what standard you are basing your judgments on. until you agree on that, you will accomplish nothing. none of you are any more authoritative than the other. hence, the self defeating nature of moral relativism
Posted on 11/13/18 at 4:45 pm to GumpInLex
quote:morality is what would be right whether you exist or not. it has nothing to do with our experiences.
There is way too much gray area in life to try and confine morality to black and white / right and wrong.
Posted on 11/13/18 at 4:46 pm to ShortyRob
quote:that depends on what you mean by "religious"
the basic concept of do unto others which really isn't a religious concept
quote:based on what?
if there is something that you wouldn't be OK with others doing to you, then it's wrong to do it to them
Posted on 11/13/18 at 4:48 pm to Strophie
quote:is your statement objectively "right?"
There is no objective "right and wrong."
comical
Posted on 11/13/18 at 4:49 pm to bmy
quote:nope. i've already addressed this
Natural selection
quote:is that an objectively true statement?
It's not objective though and morality depends on culture and context
quote:so you are an imbecile in political matters AND epistemology? wow. congrats. not easy to do.
Morality is only a thing when resources are abundant
Posted on 11/13/18 at 4:50 pm to The Great McGinty
quote:yes. exactly. however, accountable to whom?
With morality comes accountability
Posted on 11/13/18 at 4:53 pm to Strophie
quote:
Natural selection
my word it is amazing how the failure of the education system has misled so many people. it's astonishing to see it worked out in reality. pervasive and impressive really.
survival of the fittest and other evolutionary forces have nothing to do with morality. dawkins' meme idea has been thoroughly destroyed years ago.
Posted on 11/13/18 at 4:54 pm to bmy
quote:that's because you are an ignoramus
I'm not sure morality is anything other than empathy
Posted on 11/13/18 at 4:57 pm to bfniii
quote:
bfniii
Jesus Christ, dude.
Posted on 11/13/18 at 4:58 pm to Perfect Circle
quote:
No matter who you are, unless you're mentally ill, everyone agrees certain actions are "right" and certain actions are "wrong." Murder is wrong. Stealing is wrong. Lying and deceit are wrong. Kindness is right. Mercy is right. Compassion is right. The knowledge of right and wrong is part of our being. How did it get there? What is its source?
All depends on the Individual's First Premise/Core Value. The above is true only IF one's Core Value is that of the traditional concept of a loving God, as the Creative Source of all that is.
If an Individual's Core Value is that of Self over God/Unified Whole...then the above would/may not serve the interest of Self. Darwin's *morality* would.
Posted on 11/13/18 at 6:43 pm to Perfect Circle
quote:Not many here believe in absolute morality. They routinely out themselves as moral relativists. Just ask them about slavers in the 1800s that they admire (e.g. Robert E. Lee or Andrew Jackson.) You'll learn real quick that "that was just normal back then". That is to say: slavery is not absolutely wrong. Rather, it is subject to any given society's relative whims.
Do You Believe in Absolute Morality?
No matter who you are, unless you're mentally ill, everyone agrees certain actions are "right" and certain actions are "wrong."
Murder is wrong.
Stealing is wrong.
Lying and deceit are wrong.
Kindness is right.
Mercy is right.
Compassion is right.
Posted on 11/13/18 at 6:46 pm to Big Scrub TX
quote:
Not many here believe in absolute morality. They routinely out themselves as moral relativists. Just ask them about slavers in the 1800s that they admire (e.g. Robert E. Lee or Andrew Jackson.) You'll learn real quick that "that was just normal back then". That is to say: slavery is not absolutely wrong. Rather, it is subject to any given society's relative whims.
Well only an idiot would apply today's morals to hundreds of years ago.
U.S. Grant was a "slaver" too.
Posted on 11/13/18 at 6:47 pm to gthog61
quote:IOW, moral relativism.
Well only an idiot would apply today's morals to hundreds of years ago.
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