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re: Do You Believe in Absolute Morality?
Posted on 11/13/18 at 6:57 pm to Big Scrub TX
Posted on 11/13/18 at 6:57 pm to Big Scrub TX
You realize that humans are complex beings and you can appreciate some aspects or achievements of people without necessarily endorsing everything they did or said during the course of their lives, right?
Posted on 11/13/18 at 7:00 pm to bfniii
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I believe it "evolved"
you believe wrong. what you are describing is socio-cultural behavior. rousseau's social contract. utilitarianism. pragmatism. etc.
Not all behavior is learned.. instinct for example. Plus, there are clearly genetics involved in which traits (both physical and behavioral) are strongly expressed.
Posted on 11/13/18 at 7:01 pm to Boatshoes
quote:Of course. That doesn't mean I recognize slavery as only relatively wrong. It is absolutely wrong. And it absolutely does diminish the overall standing of those who did other good deeds yet participated actively in the evil.
You realize that humans are complex beings and you can appreciate some aspects or achievements of people without necessarily endorsing everything they did or said during the course of their lives, right?
This post was edited on 11/13/18 at 7:20 pm
Posted on 11/13/18 at 7:02 pm to bmy
quote:Finalky!!! You agree that gender roles are biologically embedded in us!!
Not all behavior is learned.. instinct for example. Plus, there are clearly genetics involved in which traits (both physical and behavioral) are strongly expressed.
Posted on 11/13/18 at 7:15 pm to bfniii
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nope. i've already addressed this
And you were wrong. Sorry?
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It's not objective though and morality depends on culture and context
is that an objectively true statement?
No and it does not need to be.
Posted on 11/13/18 at 7:16 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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Finalky!!! You agree that gender roles are biologically embedded in us!!
... no shite?
Posted on 11/13/18 at 7:17 pm to Perfect Circle
Is a reflection of God, the Creator
This post was edited on 11/13/18 at 11:25 pm
Posted on 11/13/18 at 9:39 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:idiots get all up in a thread showing that they didn't even bother to read wikipedia on the topic and you're commenting on my responses? whatevs
DisplacedBuckeye
Posted on 11/13/18 at 9:40 pm to bmy
quote:what does this have to do with morality. nothing
Not all behavior is learned.. instinct for example. Plus, there are clearly genetics involved in which traits (both physical and behavioral) are strongly expressed
Posted on 11/13/18 at 9:43 pm to bmy
quote:not that you showed any such thing. typical crap response. let me know when you're ready to actually explain how it was wrong
And you were wrong
quote:completely idiotic and contradictory response which i would expect from you. if you aren't claiming that your characterization is objective, then why should anyone listen to you genius
No and it does not need to be
Posted on 11/13/18 at 9:46 pm to Perfect Circle
I believe in God and His Son Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior. He is our Creator and His only begotten Son.
Posted on 11/13/18 at 10:09 pm to bfniii
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let me know when you're ready to actually explain how it was wrong
Because we are biological machines and are nothing more than the sum of our parts. Pretty simple concept.
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if you aren't claiming that your characterization is objective, then why should anyone listen to you genius
Objectivity might be important if we were trying to measure something other than your ego
Posted on 11/13/18 at 11:24 pm to bmy
quote:ah, scientism. so you've figured out what no scientist has ever been able to figure out; qualia, perception, tip of the tongue phenomenon, inability to tickle yourself phenomenon, deja vu, identity, consciousness, sentience, development of culture, perception of freewill, etc.
Because we are biological machines and are nothing more than the sum of our parts
quote:so you can't dispel your nonsense contradictory assertion. that's all you had to say
Objectivity might be important if we were trying to measure something other than your ego
Posted on 11/14/18 at 6:23 am to bfniii
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ah, scientism. so you've figured out what no scientist has ever been able to figure out; qualia, perception, tip of the tongue phenomenon, inability to tickle yourself phenomenon, deja vu, identity, consciousness, sentience, development of culture, perception of freewill, etc.
This is effectively the tired god of the gaps argument
Posted on 11/14/18 at 9:24 am to bfniii
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survival of the fittest and other evolutionary forces have nothing to do with morality. dawkins' meme idea has been thoroughly destroyed years ago
I'd like to see a link to that. Sincerely.
Posted on 11/14/18 at 9:28 am to bfniii
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The origins of morality are merely an extension of instinct and the natural urge for the species to survive further built upon by self awareness
wrong. species often behave in was that are contrary to survival. for example, nazis were ok with euthanizing the infirmed. however, humanity as a whole is against that. why waste resources on defective human beings? we do so for moral reasons, not for survival reasons.
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"wrong" is anything that you would not want done to you, as anything bad for you is slightly bad for the species overall
incorrect, again. social mores vary from culture to culture. and, you are proving my point with this statement: EVERYONE believes in absolute morality, even when denying it.
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Won't know until you cross over if it is true or fade into nothing if it isn't
we can know if the source of morality has revealed it to us and in fact, there is proof that it has indeed happened.
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Reality is in your mind for the most part
it's interesting to watch uninitiated people try to blithely erase a centuries old entire epistemic philosophy (in this case, empiricism) with a broad superficial assertion. care to address "Nihil est in intellectu quod non prius fuerit in sensu"?
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We all agree things are "real" because of a shared sensory response in our brains
wow. first, "real" is a slippery not used in epistemology because it is imprecise. second, there is no such shared response. the closest thing to what you are describing is kant's sythethic a priori reasoning.
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There is no proof that anything is actually "real" outside of us agreeing that we experience the same feelings in the same situations
again, completely misinformed. while we do not know das ding an sich, even hume agreed we know plenty of "real" things.
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Morality is the same in a regard
category mistake. morality is not proven "real" in the same way a chair is proven "real." the former is metaphysical (noumenal). the latter is physical (phenomenal).
Look at the big brain on Brad
Posted on 11/14/18 at 1:30 pm to bfniii
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agreement is not a requisite for the existence of absolute morality. two different things
No shite. I was replying to the OP
Posted on 11/14/18 at 7:11 pm to bmy
quote:first, you're defending your position by attacking another, basically changing the subject. second, that is NOT the god of the gaps argument because i didn't say that those things are proof that god exists. third, the god of the gaps argument is not wrong, simplicatur. but you knew that, right?
This is effectively the tired god of the gaps argument
having said that, care to try again? explain how your self admitted non-objective statement is an objective proof.
let me save you some time, you're on the losing end of this one. swim to shore. rethink your position
Posted on 11/14/18 at 7:26 pm to Strophie
mcgrath's iteration
just one instance. mcgrath is the type of person dawkins is reticent to tangle with in a formal debate.
just one instance. mcgrath is the type of person dawkins is reticent to tangle with in a formal debate.
This post was edited on 11/14/18 at 10:50 pm
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