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Do we really have an actual "free market" anymore?

Posted on 10/13/21 at 8:09 pm
Posted by burger bearcat
Member since Oct 2020
10501 posts
Posted on 10/13/21 at 8:09 pm
I was at a local political meeting recently and met a guy who was planning to run for KY state senate in the Lexington area. We got into a debate about vaccine mandates and what governors and legislatures should do about it.

He considered himself a strict Constitutional libertarian, and for the most part I think we agreed on almost everything, at least in principle. When discussing the vaccine mandates, he felt it wasn't the governments job to interfere with private business activity.

Which of course I agree with that in theory... however my point to him was that these companies are not really private businesses anymore, and these traditional libertarian principles do not apply. At minimum you have to remove every bit of state provided incentives and tax breaks if they are going to harass tax payers who work for them.

If we had a true free market, how is it that every single corporation seems to be in unison on everything? It makes no sense in a real free market. Surely you think you would have one airliner bucking the trend to not require masks for passengers and not require vaccine mandates for employees, that would only make sense. You would see the same with every corporation hopping on to BLM, Pride, and whatever other social justice cause. There would be other alternatives to appeal to the other half of the country. Why would Ford feel the need to promote a rainbow Ford Raptor? It makes no sense, the majority of Ford Truck buyers are straight conservative men.

We as consumers don't have the option to dictate the free market anymore. Post 2008 and TARP, all major companies and corporations have become property of the federal government. Which in essence, has made them more powerful than the federal government, they aren't restricted by the Constitution.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
120445 posts
Posted on 10/13/21 at 8:10 pm to
Free market is a myth
Posted by xxTIMMYxx
Member since Aug 2019
17562 posts
Posted on 10/13/21 at 8:12 pm to
The esg scores is how they reigned companies in once the banks decided to side with government. It’s like a social credit score
Posted by burger bearcat
Member since Oct 2020
10501 posts
Posted on 10/13/21 at 8:23 pm to
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The esg scores


Makes sense. These were talked about at the world economic forum. Basically the banks (who globalist control), will force these companies to act a certain way if they want financing.

The only real power we have left, or may have left is local politics and maybe a few red states. This is why I told him, red states are going to have to think outside the box on this one. This isn't politics as usual in the 80s and 90s
Posted by skidry
Member since Jul 2009
3579 posts
Posted on 10/13/21 at 8:25 pm to
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free market" anymore


Not for anything that really matters.
Energy, food, water, transportation, and information are all under full control.
Posted by wutangfinancial
Treasure Valley
Member since Sep 2015
11958 posts
Posted on 10/13/21 at 8:26 pm to
American Capitalism is a bigger lie than "We are a nation of Laws not men"
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
39847 posts
Posted on 10/14/21 at 12:58 am to
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Do we really have an actual "free market" anymore?
You people sound like crazy left wingers now. For years, anytime it was asserted that maybe big business wasn't exactly "free enterprise", you corporate bootlickers would defend ANY corporate behavior. But now that some shite is happening that you don't like, why, it's take your ball and go home?

When do you think the market was ever "free" in the past? Was it free in the early and mid 1900s when laws basically insisted on "separate but equal"?

quote:

We as consumers don't have the option to dictate the free market anymore.
When did you ever?
Posted by DavidTheGnome
Monroe
Member since Apr 2015
31528 posts
Posted on 10/14/21 at 1:14 am to
I would suppose that depends on which market you’re talking about. A market for trucks, or healthcare, or junk on Craigslist, etc? There are many, many different markets and some I’d agree are definitely more free than others.
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