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Posted on 4/17/20 at 9:23 am to FATBOY TIGER
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Does it matter?
When you are comparing various death rates in the US, yes, it matters.
FWIW, average daily deaths from AIDS in the US is 44.
Of course, under Geaux’s genius analysis, it would be zero because they “actually” die of an underlying disease, not AIDS.
Posted on 4/17/20 at 9:29 am to Antonio Moss
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When you are comparing various death rates in the US, yes, it matters. FWIW, average daily deaths from AIDS in the US is 44. Of course, under Geaux’s genius analysis, it would be zero because they “actually” die of an underlying disease, not AIDS.
You're an idiot and now are reduced to strawman arguments.
If the disease is not the primary cause of the death than no its not a big deal especially in these patients. HIV patients can be linked to other causes of deaths but the virus is what caused these things to happen in the first place.
Posted on 4/17/20 at 9:30 am to Antonio Moss
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Of course, under Geaux’s genius analysis, it would be zero because they “actually” die of an underlying disease, not AIDS.
Honestly, this sort of goes to the point.
A person with AIDS, might catch COVID, the FLU or whatever else because...……...well...……...AIDS.
And when they finally die, it will be because they had AIDS. And, no one would really question saying that.
But, right now. When some 86 year old who has almost died multiple times during a nearly year long hospital stay catches COVID, we suddenly say he "Died of COVID".
I'm not one of these "OMG, they're padding the numbers" guy. I'm simply pointing out that citing the 2000 per day as evidence that it is not basically impossible to die of this disease is overly simplistic.
For Antonio and Shorty to die of this disease...…...along with basically everyone we go to work with...….it's almost impossible. This particular disease is EXCEEDINGLY concentrated.
I guess a really loose analogy would be to say that it's a lot more likely that you die from drowning in the ocean if you live in Florida than if you live in Iowa and never leave.
Posted on 4/17/20 at 9:33 am to ShortyRob
quote:It's like the leftist meme: "People that possess guns tend to die from gun deaths more often."
I guess a really loose analogy would be to say that it's a lot more likely that you die from drowning in the ocean if you live in Florida than if you live in Iowa and never leave.
Posted on 4/17/20 at 9:35 am to Taxing Authority
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It's like the leftist meme: "People that possess guns tend to die from gun deaths more often."
I mean. I could do others.
If my plane crashes in the ocean, and somehow, I'm alive after we hit the water...……...if someone says I "died in a plane crash", they aren't wrong. Yelling, "no, he drowned" would just seem silly.
Posted on 4/17/20 at 9:37 am to ShortyRob
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I mean. I could do others. If my plane crashes in the ocean, and somehow, I'm alive after we hit the water...……...if someone says I "died in a plane crash", they aren't wrong. Yelling, "no, he drowned" would just seem silly.
Nobody dies in car accidents, they die from sudden stops.
Posted on 4/17/20 at 9:50 am to GeauxFightingTigers1
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Nobody dies in car accidents, they die from sudden stops.
Yep
Doc - "I'm sorry Ma'am, but your husband has died of a heart attack
Wife - "Um, was that related to the 18 wheeler broad siding him today?"
Doc - "Well, yeah, but, his cause of death is heart attack!!!"
Posted on 4/17/20 at 10:08 am to Antonio Moss
quote:ok mr "the models weren't wrong. they were updated with new info."
Your inability to understand basic discussion is really remarkable.
Posted on 4/17/20 at 10:12 am to bfniii
Part of the uncertainties surrounding cause of death and death rates gets back to inadequate testing. If not everyone who dies has been tested and confirmed, you can't confirm whether they died of COVID. So I would argue COVID death numbers are underreported.
Posted on 4/17/20 at 10:14 am to FtHuntTiger
quote:even the cdc has admitted mortality numbers have been inflated by borrowing cause of death. do with that what you will
I would argue COVID death numbers are underreported
Posted on 4/17/20 at 10:21 am to bfniii
My understanding is that CDC numbers are basically just a compilation of what the states report. And each state has different criteria. So by definition, at the least, CDC numbers are not uniformly reported.
Posted on 4/17/20 at 10:32 am to jimdog
So how obese is deadly in this situation? Is just mildly obese ok?
Posted on 4/17/20 at 10:50 am to FtHuntTiger
quote:the numbers have definitely been a crapshoot. with h1n1, when a child died, you're pretty sure the virus did it. with 19, it's elderly people mostly with comorbidities. it's exceedingly more difficult to assess the threat when the target demographic is so narrow and in a precarious position both physically and environmentally, being sequestered together in nursing homes that are often poorly run
CDC numbers are not uniformly reported
in addition, many people are still conflating the national numbers with a national outbreak or state numbers with a whole state outbreak, which is not reasonable. nyc has had a completely different experience than basically everywhere else in the country. nola has had a different experience than the rest of la.
Posted on 4/17/20 at 11:52 am to ShortyRob
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For Antonio and Shorty to die of this disease...…...along with basically everyone we go to work with...….it's almost impossible. This particular disease is EXCEEDINGLY concentrated.
Of course, but we didn’t create these public policy initiatives based on certain cohorts to the exclusion of others.
Unless, we are willing to say we will not hospitalize and treat vulnerable populations, then arguing that specific cohorts are much less susceptible to death is really just treading water.
Not to mention, the vulnerable cohorts for COVID number in the millions so, again, arguing against their exclusion in a data analysis is doesnt do anyone any good.
Posted on 4/17/20 at 11:56 am to BHS78
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2000 times a day because they are using Common Core math and new science.
If Common Core math was around when you guys were kids, we'd all be a lot better off. quote:Are you really claiming that once someone is diagnosed with terminal cancer, they can't die of anything else?
If you are diagnosed with terminal cancer (6 mo or less) and die the virus sped it up but was not the cause of death.
Posted on 4/17/20 at 11:56 am to bfniii
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ok mr "the models weren't wrong. they were updated with new info."
The fact that you keep quoting this shows just how little you know.
That wasn’t even my argument. My argument was that people, like Britt Humes and Candance Owens, citing information from TWO DIFFERENT MODELS and arguing that they “changed” is incredibly false.
And that many here, including you, didn’t even take the time to look at the information yourself to discover that it’s blatantly false. You just parroted a lie because it was convenient and you are lazy.
Posted on 4/17/20 at 11:57 am to bfniii
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even the cdc has admitted mortality numbers have been inflated by borrowing cause of death
Another lie
Posted on 4/17/20 at 11:59 am to FtHuntTiger
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My understanding is that CDC numbers are basically just a compilation of what the states report. And each state has different criteria. So by definition, at the least, CDC numbers are not uniformly reported.
No, the CDC put out specific guidelines for reporting COVID deaths. Technically, I don’t think the states have to follow but I haven’t heard of any that don’t.
Posted on 4/17/20 at 12:03 pm to TaderSalad
quote:Ok.
Okay, now do the same with the flu.
A really bad flu season is 60k deaths. That averages out to 165 deaths per day. Obviously, flu is seasonal so the worst days are much worse than the best. Let's concentrate them all into 3 months. That gives us 650 deaths per day.
You know what? We actually have pretty accurate data on this. Here is the link. Let's look at the worst flu season in recent history, 2018. At its peak, flu+pneumonia deaths reached 7,000 per week. Common Core math tells me that's 1,000 per day.
And that is with a very high infection rate, which this coronavirus has not come anywhere near yet. Still 2,000 per day.
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