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re: Do Muslims believe in free will?
Posted on 9/1/24 at 3:25 pm to Wednesday
Posted on 9/1/24 at 3:25 pm to Wednesday
They are predominantly low IQ, inbred savages. And all of them are beholden to a murderous, rapist, pedophile false prophet. Any country they are the majority demographic in always has been, and always will be a 3rd world shithole
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Posted on 9/1/24 at 3:26 pm to Azkiger
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I mean, Arab nation average IQ scores fall in the 75-85 range, the vast majority do not support freedom of speech, allowing homosexuals to live, and behave as a death cult. I'm sorry the shoe fits?
you people believe some of the stupidest, self-aggrandizing shite I have ever seen. It is amazing you have enough free time from your self-fellatio to breathe.
Posted on 9/1/24 at 3:27 pm to Wednesday
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Free will is a tenet of Christianity.
Free will has been debated throughout the history of Christianity and there are several different theological takes on it.
Guess what--the same is true of Islam. Their take is (more or less) -- things are predestined, but people still have the ability to choose and are responsible for their choices. That's more or less the mainstream Christian take (even if it seems hard to reconcile both parts of it).
Posted on 9/1/24 at 3:28 pm to theballguy
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Do you not realize a lot of Christendom does not believe in free will either?
Neither do intellectually curious atheists.
Posted on 9/1/24 at 3:28 pm to theballguy
I’m not a Calvinist. I’m a Roman Catholic. Whatever I learned about John Calvin was back in HS and I don’t remember it. So feel free to enlighten me about it.
I’ve been taught that I have free will since I was a child, and I believe we all have it, which is both a blessing and a curse. I believe that where we fall short, and make the wrong decision, we acknowledge that and God will forgives us so long as we seek forgiveness. I believe in redemption, free will, and reconciliation.
It’s part of my faith life.
Sorry if it’s not part of yours.
To return to the point of the thread. Is there any sect of Muslims that believes in free will?
So far as I can tell Muslims say they believe in free will. They believe god gave them a choice but already knows what choice you’re going to make, but they say that they believe in free will. To me that sounds like a rationalization, of free will, but it doesn’t mean free will.
Am just wondering for those of you telling me I am confirming something I believe - I’m asking you to tell me if and why my understanding is wrong and someplace I can go learn about what these people believe about it.
I’ve been taught that I have free will since I was a child, and I believe we all have it, which is both a blessing and a curse. I believe that where we fall short, and make the wrong decision, we acknowledge that and God will forgives us so long as we seek forgiveness. I believe in redemption, free will, and reconciliation.
It’s part of my faith life.
Sorry if it’s not part of yours.
To return to the point of the thread. Is there any sect of Muslims that believes in free will?
So far as I can tell Muslims say they believe in free will. They believe god gave them a choice but already knows what choice you’re going to make, but they say that they believe in free will. To me that sounds like a rationalization, of free will, but it doesn’t mean free will.
Am just wondering for those of you telling me I am confirming something I believe - I’m asking you to tell me if and why my understanding is wrong and someplace I can go learn about what these people believe about it.
Posted on 9/1/24 at 3:28 pm to Geauxgurt
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you people believe some of the stupidest, self-aggrandizing shite I have ever seen.
It is amazing you have enough free time from your self-fellatio to breathe.
Oh yeah, the majority also treat their women like shite and have insanely high rates of consanguineous marriages (incest).
Do I need to keep slapping you across the face with facts?
Posted on 9/1/24 at 3:29 pm to Flats
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Neither do intellectually curious atheists.
Not believe in, and seeing no evidence for, are two different stances.
Posted on 9/1/24 at 3:30 pm to Geauxgurt
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But since they are all likely backwards sand people to you, they must not have free will like us Christians in the great ole US of A.
I say this with as much respect as possible.
frick off.
Posted on 9/1/24 at 3:32 pm to Azkiger
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Not believe in, and seeing no evidence for, are two different stances.
I'm not even sure how that applies here.
It's quite logical for an atheist not to believe in free will. It all but requires a supernatural input of some sort.
Posted on 9/1/24 at 3:33 pm to Flats
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It all but requires a supernatural input of some sort.
Interesting, how did you arrive at that conclusion?
Posted on 9/1/24 at 3:34 pm to Geauxgurt
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But since they are all likely backwards sand people to you
Not all.
And the extent that they're not backwards savages appears to be directly tied to how much exposure they've had to the West. Make of that what you will.
Posted on 9/1/24 at 3:34 pm to SlowFlowPro
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I've heard Christians of certain denominations make the same arguments, fwiw
Apparently there are some of them on this thread.
Posted on 9/1/24 at 3:37 pm to Flats
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And the extent that they're not backwards savages appears to be directly tied to how much exposure they've had to the West. Make of that what you will.
While there is some change, first and second gen immigrants from South Asia, the Middle East, and North Africa still overwhelmingly uphold similar political stances as their home populations in Europe. I'm talking about making homosexual acts illegal and punishable by jail time/death, removing many freedoms Western women enjoy, outlawing speech they don't like, etc.
Posted on 9/1/24 at 3:37 pm to Wednesday
Inshallah
Posted on 9/1/24 at 3:37 pm to Wednesday
As far as religion goes I’m agnostic.
Really, all you have to do is observe the Muslim religion and their actions as a whole for the last 10 years. Go back 20 years, 50 years, 100 years, or only 5 years.
You’ll come to the same conclusion if you’re a logical person, Muslims are not really people, they’re primitive animals.
Really, all you have to do is observe the Muslim religion and their actions as a whole for the last 10 years. Go back 20 years, 50 years, 100 years, or only 5 years.
You’ll come to the same conclusion if you’re a logical person, Muslims are not really people, they’re primitive animals.
Posted on 9/1/24 at 3:38 pm to Azkiger
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Interesting, how did you arrive at that conclusion?
Same way someone like Michael Shermer does.
In a material world, everything is reduced to chemistry and physics, or the 4 fundamental forces if you want to drill deeper. Your brain doesn't have a "you" behind the green curtain, it's just a bio computer responding to inputs. Inputs determine outputs, not some "self" that can't be defined and exists outside the physical world.
Posted on 9/1/24 at 3:39 pm to TigerIron
quote:You mean a small chunk
A big chunk of Christians don't / didn't believe in free will, either
Posted on 9/1/24 at 3:48 pm to Wednesday
Kismet…
Posted on 9/1/24 at 3:58 pm to Diamondawg
I've been doing a lot of reading on this lately and it's not as small as you think, or at least as i thought. There are a lot of very respected pastors and theologians who are Calvinist
Posted on 9/1/24 at 4:03 pm to Wednesday
I hear an interview with an American soldier whose job it was to train the Iraq army. He said the hardest part was dealing with the “If Allah Wills” attitude.
He said they would just fire into a crowd and whoever was hit it was Alla’s Will.
He said they would just fire into a crowd and whoever was hit it was Alla’s Will.
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