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re: DNA analysis shows that Jews and Arabs Descended from Canaanites
Posted on 5/26/25 at 1:06 pm to Augustus516
Posted on 5/26/25 at 1:06 pm to Augustus516
quote:there is no requirement along those lines - this "knowing" you mention.
I don’t even know what you are talking about. Sorry
Like how this referenced article is badly outdated by techniques and articles of proximity regarding article date.
Eran Elhaik has vast studies of this and comes up with drastically different conclusions.
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Posted on 5/26/25 at 1:08 pm to Narax
There are lots of Churches and grouos that do not believe that God, Jesus, and the ‘Holy Ghost’, or Spirit, are a God head.
Many people were burned at the stake in past centuries for believing or teaching this way.
Your assertion that only Jews and Arians (a group i had to look up when you first said it) is incorrect.
I could be Mormon, Jehovah’s Witness, Oneness Pentecostal, several other denominations.
At the moment, I am just reading and studying the bible for myself with all available and accurate historical context at my disposal
Many people were burned at the stake in past centuries for believing or teaching this way.
Your assertion that only Jews and Arians (a group i had to look up when you first said it) is incorrect.
I could be Mormon, Jehovah’s Witness, Oneness Pentecostal, several other denominations.
At the moment, I am just reading and studying the bible for myself with all available and accurate historical context at my disposal
This post was edited on 5/26/25 at 1:12 pm
Posted on 5/26/25 at 1:14 pm to EphesianArmor
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Mary (not Divine) can only be the Mother of the "fully man" part of the human Jesus.
So Jesus wasn’t devine when he was born? When did he become divine?
Posted on 5/26/25 at 1:16 pm to Augustus516
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Why? Because they just came out of Egypt,
The Egyptian captivity objectively never happened. Longterm exposure leaves cultural markers as well as genetic markers. The lack of either makes it clear that the whole thing was entirely made up to justify genocide against their close kinsmen who refused to embrace their faith.
Posted on 5/26/25 at 1:21 pm to Mo Jeaux
Mary and Jesus were altogether two different beings, right?
Posted on 5/26/25 at 1:24 pm to Augustus516
quote:
There are lots of Churches and grouos that do not believe that God, Jesus, and the ‘Holy Ghost’, or Spirit, are a God head.
Many people were burned at the stake in past centuries for believing or teaching this way.
Your assertion that only Jews and Arians (a group i had to look up when you first said it) is incorrect.
I could be Mormon, Jehovah’s Witness, Oneness Pentecostal, several other denominations.
At the moment, I am just reading and studying the bible for myself with all available and accurate historical context at my disposal
So now you do know what I'm talking about...
Curious...
Lotta evasiveness going on.
Posted on 5/26/25 at 1:25 pm to L.A.
Protestant Irish and Catholic Irish share the same DNA and hate each other. I'm not sure what's your point.
Posted on 5/26/25 at 1:26 pm to L.A.
It shouldn't surprise anyone. That area of the world has been warring tribes since the dawn of man. They don't know anything else aside from suffering and struggle.
Posted on 5/26/25 at 1:28 pm to L.A.
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Canaanite religion is from Abraham? They were polytheistic, no?
When I took world civ in college they talked about how the early Israelites were polytheistic. They eventually unified under the god of Abraham.
Posted on 5/26/25 at 1:32 pm to Mo Jeaux
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When did he become divine?
Luke 3:20-22. After his baptism, the scriptures say ‘the heavens were opened up’ and God’s voice was heard, calling Jesus his son and approving of him.
It appears this is when he regained his prehuman memory as a spirit son of God. Why? Well in the following chapter, he is led into the wilderness where he fasts for 40-days and is tempted. It appears that Satan was also aware that Jesus, whom he attempted to kill when he was a baby, had successfully lived for 30 years before regaining the memory of his spirit life.
In fact, in 2 of the temptations, recorded at Luke 4:3,9, Satan even tries to cast doubt on Jesus’ and the regaining of his memory. Notice in both cases he says ‘If you are God’s Son’ do this or that…so he was tempting Jesus to do something self-fulfilling, by casting doubts on his true identity (he knew this was God’s Son)
This post was edited on 5/26/25 at 1:33 pm
Posted on 5/26/25 at 1:33 pm to L.A.
quote:One descended from Isaac and one descended from Ishmael, Abraham's sons...
Descended from Canaanites
Posted on 5/26/25 at 1:37 pm to IvoryBillMatt
quote:Pagels needs to be taken with a grain of salt. That's the problem with people like her and Bart Ehrman. If you aren't well grounded in proper education of the topic, people like them can lead you astray because they blur the line between actual, academic historical research and popularized fiction
A quick, authoritative read is Elaine Pagel's "The Gnostic Gospels."
Long story short, Gnosticism is not only so varied that it often defies strict categorization, so called "Christian Gnosticism" is a later invention that in no way pervaded or syncretized into orthodoxy. To invent a Dan Brown level, Bauer thesis fiction that Gnosticism was first and chauvinist pigs suppressed it out of fear of female authority is merely an attempt to poke the bear in order to make some money from book sales and movie rights. It's not serious scholarship
Posted on 5/26/25 at 1:39 pm to Mo Jeaux
quote:What are these "past beliefs" and how would you know? Some kook popular level author told you this tripe? And how would you know that the authors of the OT were not truthful?
told from the point of view of the group that adopted monotheism and had to edit out (or try to) the uncomfortable parts about their past beliefs
Posted on 5/26/25 at 1:41 pm to L.A.
quote:Is that not the case?
The Biblical narrative is that the Canaanites were already in the promised land when the descendants of Abraham arrived
Posted on 5/26/25 at 1:42 pm to Mo Jeaux
quote:It is the trinity
That doesn’t really describe the current orthodox understanding of the trinity
Posted on 5/26/25 at 1:42 pm to Narax
quote:
Lotta evasiveness going on
I don’t understand what your point is? Evasiveness about what? What is your exact question or issue? Besides make obvious that I don’t believe in the Trinity, what do you need me to say?
I acknowledge it is a cherished belief of many so obviously that is your stand and I have offended you. Sorry for that. I try to back up those statements with Bible passages to give evidence I am not just making stuff up.
Posted on 5/26/25 at 1:43 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:figures you can't answer a simple, honest, direct question on a topic you claim to be an expert on
Pontius Pilate's ruling leading to the Romans killing Jesus
You are not a serious person. Are you still pretending to be unemotional?
Posted on 5/26/25 at 1:44 pm to LSURussian
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Descended from Canaanites
One descended from Isaac and one descended from Ishmael, Abraham's sons...
Canaanite culture predates Abraham by at least 1,500 years.
From the article in the OP
quote:
Canaanite culture was dominant in the Southern Levant during the Bronze Age (3,500-1,200 B.C.E.) As Iron Age I began, the Canaanite city-states faded. The Israelites self-identified as a separate group.
I don't think people are understanding the implications of the DNA findings. The biblical narrative is that the Israelites drove the polytheistic Canaanites from the promised land, which the Canaanites already occupied.
The archeological evidence shows that the Israelites WERE Canaanites who eventually moved into unoccupied areas of Canaan and formed their own identity, based on distinct societal, ethical, and religious norms.
The DNA findings in this study support the archeological findings, not the Biblical narrative.
Posted on 5/26/25 at 1:48 pm to Augustus516
quote:It is and I quoted one of the passages
Seems strange that a central teaching about worshipping God would not be explicitly recorded in the Bible
quote:Which is of course one aspect of the trinity
What I see from the Ten commandments down is God being referred to as one God
quote:Have you researched the eponym "son of man" and what its purpose is?
i see Jesus referred to as his son, dying for our sins, and teaching is to worship his father
quote:None of this true. We aren't "drifting" from Bible teachings.
It would make sense that the further we drift from Bible teachings, the more corrupt ‘Christianity’ becomes
Posted on 5/26/25 at 1:50 pm to Grumpy Nemesis
quote:Perhaps if you were to study what the gospel is, you might have an answer to this question
So why am I supposed to be impressed that he gave up his only begotten son to be crucified on the cross?
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