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re: DJT has collected enough money from Mexico in tariffs to pay for the wall.
Posted on 7/12/25 at 9:31 am to OceanMan
Posted on 7/12/25 at 9:31 am to OceanMan
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I’m not sure I understand this.
The biggest cheerleaders for MAGA tariffs want to make US competition viable. We can't compete with $2/hr labor, so tariffs will make them raise their prices so we can compete. If governments are paying the tariffs and not raising prices that does nothing to help US manufacturing. The foreign goods are a cheap as they were before the tariffs.
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Posted on 7/12/25 at 9:50 am to Flats
it would be nice if the govt put this stuff in specific buckets so the american people know exactly how the tariffs are offsetting expenses.
mexico - border and ice
S America - food and ice
etc
Cost will go up very soon for many of us and tariffs should be offsetting the cost.
to use the BBB to maintain tax breaks shouldn't be an excuse. Trumps doing a lot of good things, i hope it doesn't get lost with higher groceries/goods for low middle class citizens.
mexico - border and ice
S America - food and ice
etc
Cost will go up very soon for many of us and tariffs should be offsetting the cost.
to use the BBB to maintain tax breaks shouldn't be an excuse. Trumps doing a lot of good things, i hope it doesn't get lost with higher groceries/goods for low middle class citizens.
Posted on 7/12/25 at 9:53 am to Rebel
How many times do we have to say that MEXICO DOESNT PAY TARIFFS.
Retards are spreading on this board.
Retards are spreading on this board.
Posted on 7/12/25 at 10:02 am to OceanMan
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Time will tell the whole story, no doubt about any lasting effects being way to early to bank on, but the immediate picture we are seeing is that 1) markets are settling down and reacting favorably 2) same with domestic economic indicators (labor and inflation) 3) the fedgov has seen a significant increase in revenue from tariffs. Is it possible that perhaps the US had been leaving money on the global trade table, and these actions are an overall improvement to that position?
All of that can be true at low tariffs levels, ie 10%. Or with “exclusions” for certain items, ie oil and gas from Canada.
What we don’t know is the inflection point on the Laffer Curve for higher tariffs. We are also seeing the market ignore all of these tariffs threats that Trump makes that kick in down the road.
We did see the market react to his liberation day tariffs. We saw the bond market puke so badly all over itself that Trump rescinded all reciprocal tariffs almost immediately.
Now Trump is imposing those same tariff levels for Aug 1 and the market is simply saying we will deal with it on Aug 2 because Trump has yet to enforce the tariffs at this level for more than 72 hours.
In the end, whether pro or anti tariff, the story of the success or failure of this tariff policy is still in Chapter 1.
Posted on 7/12/25 at 10:07 am to Flats
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The biggest cheerleaders for MAGA tariffs want to make US competition viable. We can't compete with $2/hr labor, so tariffs will make them raise their prices so we can compete. If governments are paying the tariffs and not raising prices that does nothing to help US manufacturing. The foreign goods are a cheap as they were before the tariffs.
Yep. If the goal is to bring manufacturing back, the whole point of a tariff is to increase prices of imports.
So it’s an inherent contradiction for those cheerleading the fact that tariffs aren’t noticeably increasing prices because that won’t bring back manufacturing.
Posted on 7/12/25 at 10:41 am to OceanMan
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You seem confident in your answer, but not wanting to touch the intricacies of individual trade deals.
The tariffs strategy is meant to increase domestic manufacturing, is it not? That’s what I was told.
The implication is that it will curb importing in general.
So is the goal to raise money for the federal government by continuing to trade with the countries on which we place the largest sanctions & collecting a premium toward federal revenue on trades… or is it to discourage the trades of those products with those countries??
You’re jumping through a lot of hoops to save face over the fact that you didn’t know what a tariff was.
This post was edited on 7/12/25 at 11:48 am
Posted on 7/12/25 at 10:45 am to Flats
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The biggest cheerleaders for MAGA tariffs want to make US competition viable. We can't compete with $2/hr labor, so tariffs will make them raise their prices so we can compete. If governments are paying the tariffs and not raising prices that does nothing to help US manufacturing. The foreign goods are a cheap as they were before the tariffs.
I doubt anyone is making plans like this due to the how much and how quickly these things have been changing.
There is too much uncertainty. Whose to say next month Trump won't just up and undo any tariffs a business was counting on?
Posted on 7/12/25 at 10:47 am to Westbank111
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One thing he will do is make the country much better off financially. People have no idea how much he’s balancing the playing field, we have been getting crushed and shouldering the entire worlds expenses
I don't give a shite if the government is better off financially if it doesn't mean a huge decrease in the government.
Why do I want this huge piece of shite government to get more powerful? I want to drain the swamp, not increase taxes to fund it further.
Posted on 7/12/25 at 11:08 am to 3down10
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I doubt anyone is making plans like this due to the how much and how quickly these things have been changing.
I don't either, I'm just talking "if ......then" logic. Either tariffs result in higher prices for consumers & that helps domestic products or they don't result in higher prices and domestics aren't helped. Forget the economic aspects, forget the political aspects, it's just basic logic. And a depressing number of people can't seem to grasp it.
Posted on 7/12/25 at 11:34 am to Rebel
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Promises made, promises kept.
You have to admit, the man is a very stable genius.
Do you have a link for this? I'd love to see the info on this.
Posted on 7/12/25 at 11:39 am to Paddyshack
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So many people want Trump to fail to their own detriment, just so they can be right on an anonymous message board.
looking at a certain cut rate strip mall attorney
Posted on 7/12/25 at 11:56 am to scottydoesntknow
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They could also choose buy the American made product instead
So you think consumers import goods at the point of sale or that your next door neighbor is buying wholesale copper.
Lmao, this really is a retard asylum.
Posted on 7/12/25 at 1:08 pm to j1897
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Retards are spreading on this board.
That’s the point of the thread. Celebrating a flat earth society…
Posted on 7/12/25 at 1:34 pm to DeathByTossDive225
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I’m not even going to pretend to be qualified for that — I know I am not.
Still, people being so confidently wrong about something
Ha
Posted on 7/12/25 at 1:38 pm to 3down10
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Why do I want this huge piece of shite government to get more powerful? I want to drain the swamp, not increase taxes to fund it further.
Trump just cut taxes and they have laid off a lot of federal workers.
Posted on 7/12/25 at 1:40 pm to DeathByTossDive225
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But on this point regarding your thread title, he’s objectively right & you are objectively wrong. It’s not a matter of opinion. It’s just a matter of knowing what words mean. Can you find me one, singular source that says “exporters pay tariffs”? Just one.
I think he is equating the tariffs to a “who pays corporate taxes?” Question.
By definition the corporation pays the tax. But we know it gets passed on. My guess is he is saying tariffs while by definition are paid by the importer….it is the exporter that actually pays them.
Posted on 7/12/25 at 1:47 pm to mwade91383
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lol false. Even Trump admitted who pays tariffs. Why do you ppl do this to yourselves?
How much hubris do you have to have to ignorantly try to scold someone in the import business? Delta land and rebel are telling you what they do….you post memes. What a fricking moron.
Who pays
Posted on 7/12/25 at 1:51 pm to Flats
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Very possible, but that only results in more tax revenue to a government we'd all like to shrink
Holy shite. You morons whine about tax cuts but also whine about increased revenues. It’s almost like you will whine no matter what.
Posted on 7/12/25 at 1:52 pm to j1897
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How many times do we have to say that MEXICO DOESNT PAY TARIFFS.
Wanna bet?
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Retards are spreading on this board.
Indeed.
Posted on 7/12/25 at 1:55 pm to Ten Bears
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In the end, whether pro or anti tariff, the story of the success or failure of this tariff policy is still in Chapter 1.
Wrong. We have seen immediate success.
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