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re: Diocese of Baton Rouge will force unvaccinated kids to wear masks and social distance.
Posted on 7/14/21 at 9:21 am to PiscesTiger
Posted on 7/14/21 at 9:21 am to PiscesTiger
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Show us the way.
One thing the Catholic church hates more than anything is bad publicity and optics. Form a group of like minded parents and create enough chaos around it that they just want the damn thing to go away.
We dropped off thousands of petitions that were signed to his office, protested in front of the Diocese office, flooded the Diocese with letters, emails, phone calls, social media. Dropped fliers off on peoples cars during Mass at all the Diocese churches. Requested sit downs to explain the science behind their decisions and to show us the data. Finally, after enough headaches and and being bothered, they dropped the issue and announced a full reopening in Fall with no vaccine requirements.
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Posted on 7/14/21 at 9:22 am to loogaroo
I have my lawsuit prepared for when this reaches public schools.
Posted on 7/14/21 at 9:24 am to loogaroo
They should stop licking the TV screen with CNN on and do their home work researching covid among kids.
Posted on 7/14/21 at 9:25 am to loogaroo
Send them this:
TL:DR - politics and bias have clouded this issue immensely
Healthy kids are low risk
https://www.medpagetoday.com/opinion/vinay-prasad/93453?xid=nl_mpt_DHE_2021-07-08&eun=g1803593d0r&utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Daily%20Headlines%20Top%20Cat%20HeC%20%202021-07-08&utm_term=NL_Daily_DHE_dual-gmail-definition
TL:DR - politics and bias have clouded this issue immensely
Healthy kids are low risk
https://www.medpagetoday.com/opinion/vinay-prasad/93453?xid=nl_mpt_DHE_2021-07-08&eun=g1803593d0r&utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Daily%20Headlines%20Top%20Cat%20HeC%20%202021-07-08&utm_term=NL_Daily_DHE_dual-gmail-definition
quote:
Climbing the Pandemic Failures Chart: Research on Masking Kids — Prasad calls out the dearth of large, empirical studies on benefits versus risks
by Vinay Prasad, MD, MPH July 7, 2021
quote:
Masking has become a political symbol tied to identity and tribe. The types of schools that don't have or don't enforce mask mandates have families and staff that are very different and have very different ideas about COVID-19 than the types of schools that religiously enforce mask mandates. The issue of unmeasured confounding looms large. Worse, everyone -- including researchers -- has strong beliefs about whether masks help. Moreover, there are tens of thousands of datasets to probe. You could look at schools in Florida, or Georgia, or Georgia and Florida, or France, or any combination. When you combine tens of thousands of data sets with hundreds of researchers looking at the question, analytic flexibility and selective reporting results, meaning the resulting literature is little more than an opinion poll.
quote:
So, the latest JAMA Pediatrics study does not prove masks harm kids, and those who claim to have debunked the study have not proven masks benefit kids or anyone else. Major scientific bodies, funding agencies, public health authorities, and researchers have abdicated the hard work of running trials to reduce uncertainty and hopefully answer the question. Instead, we performed retrospective, confounded, selectively reported studies on a politically divided population with preconceived notations that will forever reach opposing conclusions. A thousand years from now, on this question, our society will look as primitive and ignorant as the people who survived the plagues of Europe in the middle ages. The only difference is that we could have done better, and that's the real point of the recent mask study.
Vinay Prasad, MD, MPH, is a hematologist-oncologist and associate professor of medicine at the University of California San Francisco, and author of Malignant: How Bad Policy and Bad Evidence Harm People With Cancer.
This post was edited on 7/14/21 at 9:47 am
Posted on 7/14/21 at 9:29 am to ThinePreparedAni
Thanks! I just stole this from the OT...
quote:
It's like having a peeing and non-peeing section of a swimming pool.
Posted on 7/14/21 at 9:30 am to loogaroo
Bend the knee, there seems to be a new religion.
Posted on 7/14/21 at 9:30 am to BugAC
quote:
How do we fight this shite?
quote:
I will pull my kids out of their school
Posted on 7/14/21 at 9:33 am to Nguyener
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This post was edited on 7/14/21 at 11:55 am
Posted on 7/14/21 at 9:35 am to loogaroo
NOTICE FOR EMPLOYERS, UNIVERSITIES AND OTHER INSTITUTIONS
MANDATING COVID-19 MASKS
This serves as notice that the mandate for any individual to wear a mask against
COVID-19 for employment or attendance at a university or other institution violates
federal law. All COVID-19 masks, whether surgical, N95 or other respirators, are
authorized, not approved or licensed, by the federal government; they are Emergency Use
Authorization (EUA) only. They merely “may be effective.” Federal law states:
Title 21 U.S.C. § 360bbb-3(e)(1)(A)(ii)(I-III) of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act
(FD&C Act) states:
individuals to whom the product is administered are informed—
(I) that the Secretary has authorized the emergency use of the product;
(II) of the significant known and potential benefits and risks of such use, and of the
extent to which such benefits and risks are unknown; and
(III) of the option to accept or refuse administration of the product, of the
consequences, if any, of refusing administration of the product, and of the
alternatives to the product that are available and of their benefits and risks.
EUA products are by definition experimental and thus require the right to refuse. Under
the Nuremberg Code, the foundation of ethical medicine, no one may be coerced to
participate in a medical experiment. Consent of the individual is “absolutely essential.” A
federal court held that even the U.S. military could not mandate EUA vaccines to soldiers.
Doe #1 v. Rumsfeld, 297 F.Supp.2d 119 (2003).
In a letter dated April 24, 2020, the Food and Drug Administration stated that authorized
face masks must be labelled accurately and may not be labeled in a way that misrepresents
the product’s intended use as “source control to help prevent the spread of SARS-CoV-2.”
The letter specifies that the labeling “may not state or imply that the product is intended
for antimicrobial or antiviral protection or related uses or is for use such as infection
prevention or reduction.” Any EUA mandate requiring individuals to wear face masks
conflicts with Section 360bbb-3(e)(1)(A)(ii)(I-III), which provides that the person must be
informed of the option to refuse to wear the device.
Liability for forced participation in a medical experiment, including possible injury, may be
incalculable. Children’s Health Defense urges U.S. employers, universities and other
institutions to respect and uphold the rights of individuals to refuse to wear EUA masks.
MANDATING COVID-19 MASKS
This serves as notice that the mandate for any individual to wear a mask against
COVID-19 for employment or attendance at a university or other institution violates
federal law. All COVID-19 masks, whether surgical, N95 or other respirators, are
authorized, not approved or licensed, by the federal government; they are Emergency Use
Authorization (EUA) only. They merely “may be effective.” Federal law states:
Title 21 U.S.C. § 360bbb-3(e)(1)(A)(ii)(I-III) of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act
(FD&C Act) states:
individuals to whom the product is administered are informed—
(I) that the Secretary has authorized the emergency use of the product;
(II) of the significant known and potential benefits and risks of such use, and of the
extent to which such benefits and risks are unknown; and
(III) of the option to accept or refuse administration of the product, of the
consequences, if any, of refusing administration of the product, and of the
alternatives to the product that are available and of their benefits and risks.
EUA products are by definition experimental and thus require the right to refuse. Under
the Nuremberg Code, the foundation of ethical medicine, no one may be coerced to
participate in a medical experiment. Consent of the individual is “absolutely essential.” A
federal court held that even the U.S. military could not mandate EUA vaccines to soldiers.
Doe #1 v. Rumsfeld, 297 F.Supp.2d 119 (2003).
In a letter dated April 24, 2020, the Food and Drug Administration stated that authorized
face masks must be labelled accurately and may not be labeled in a way that misrepresents
the product’s intended use as “source control to help prevent the spread of SARS-CoV-2.”
The letter specifies that the labeling “may not state or imply that the product is intended
for antimicrobial or antiviral protection or related uses or is for use such as infection
prevention or reduction.” Any EUA mandate requiring individuals to wear face masks
conflicts with Section 360bbb-3(e)(1)(A)(ii)(I-III), which provides that the person must be
informed of the option to refuse to wear the device.
Liability for forced participation in a medical experiment, including possible injury, may be
incalculable. Children’s Health Defense urges U.S. employers, universities and other
institutions to respect and uphold the rights of individuals to refuse to wear EUA masks.
Posted on 7/14/21 at 9:44 am to loogaroo
Would anyone who has called care to comment?
Posted on 7/14/21 at 9:45 am to PiscesTiger
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I’ll homeschool before mine get vaccinated!!!!
We pulled ours out to homeschool last year and are continuing to do so. Best decision we ever made.
Posted on 7/14/21 at 9:47 am to mooseofterror
quote:
This serves as notice that the mandate for any individual to wear a mask against
COVID-19 for employment or attendance at a university or other institution violates
federal law.
That's interesting.
Post that in the OT.
Posted on 7/14/21 at 9:49 am to tiger91
quote:
Are they really going to check adult vaccination status at entry to a football game?
If we allow them to do anything, these types of things will continue. Everyone hopes or thinks this will pass with time and they couldn't be more wrong. People better grow a pair real quick.
Posted on 7/14/21 at 9:55 am to BugAC
quote:
Just got the same email. I will pull my kids out of their school if they persist with this. My oldest is in 1st grade, and there ain't no fricking way i am injecting him with this vaccine.
How do we fight this shite? I'm in the process of emailing the principle of our school right now.
You need to send an email to your school and copy your pastor indicating EXACTLY what you just said...that you are investigating getting a refund based on this policy. Tell them you need a drop dead date of when you will need to make a decision. Then ask about partial refunds if you remove your kid from school a week or two into the semester.
Make sure you copy the priest.
Posted on 7/14/21 at 9:59 am to BugAC
quote:If you have enough parents willing to do this
How do we fight this shite?
quote:they will back down. A lot of Catholic schools in New Orleans are already struggling to stay afloat because enrollment has been falling for years. If they get major pushback from parents threatening to pull their kids, the archdiocese will be forced to back down or risk financially ruining some of their schools.
I will pull my kids out of their school if they persist with this.
Posted on 7/14/21 at 10:13 am to BugAC
quote:
How do we fight this shite?
Might I suggest a mask free protest outside of their headquarters.
Pick a date and time, spread the word.
Handle your business.
Posted on 7/14/21 at 10:19 am to jimmy the leg
I don't think this is driven by liberal ideology.
I think it's driven by ignorance OR by a fear of liability.
The policy makes zero sense. Every kid, every single day is running around with his/her friends with no social distancing and no masks. They are playing sports. I dont see any restrictions. In fact, they can go to church without a mask and without proof of vaccination. There is no real distancing there either (3ft.)
Who are they protecting?
I think it's driven by ignorance OR by a fear of liability.
The policy makes zero sense. Every kid, every single day is running around with his/her friends with no social distancing and no masks. They are playing sports. I dont see any restrictions. In fact, they can go to church without a mask and without proof of vaccination. There is no real distancing there either (3ft.)
Who are they protecting?
Posted on 7/14/21 at 10:21 am to Tiger Prawn
quote:Ascension Parish, Livingston Parish, and the independent school districts in north EBR were already a good option for EBR parents. May end up being the only option.
they will back down. A lot of Catholic schools in New Orleans are already struggling to stay afloat because enrollment has been falling for years. If they get major pushback from parents threatening to pull their kids, the archdiocese will be forced to back down or risk financially ruining some of their schools.
Posted on 7/14/21 at 10:25 am to loogaroo
Catholic High isn't a Diocesan school, so they can tell him to get fricked.
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