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Difference between a unionist and communist?

Posted on 5/18/26 at 7:46 pm
Posted by VooDude
Member since Aug 2017
3103 posts
Posted on 5/18/26 at 7:46 pm
I don’t know, and it sounds like most economists don’t know either. More akin to economic terrorism if you ask me.

Any Unionadi on here willing to stick your neck out for the cause?
Posted by VooDude
Member since Aug 2017
3103 posts
Posted on 5/21/26 at 8:07 am to
Good morning union baws. Have a wonderful day holding your company and industry hostage at gun point!
Posted by BuckI
Grove City, Ohio
Member since Oct 2020
7252 posts
Posted on 5/21/26 at 8:58 am to
Economic terrorism is kicking people out of their house or car. Charging a fortune for life saving medicine. Raising prices for no reason other than you can. smh
Posted by BuckI
Grove City, Ohio
Member since Oct 2020
7252 posts
Posted on 5/21/26 at 9:00 am to
Some rob with a gun while most rob with an ink pen.
Posted by LemmyLives
Texas
Member since Mar 2019
16192 posts
Posted on 5/21/26 at 9:08 am to
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kicking people out of their house or car. Charging a fortune for life saving medicine. Raising prices for no reason other than you can

And you're an economic retard. Just got that promotion to garbage supervisor at the work site? You deserve that new Super Duty, baw. The price of beef goes up 30%, and McDonalds is just supposed to eat it, when their margins are fairly tight already?

And for God's sake, never go looking for a coupon on a drug manufacturer's website to drop the retail cost 99% on a drug. My insurance would have charged me $400 for a $1200 scrip. But I got three months of it for $10 from the manufacturer website. Oh noes, life is haaard.
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
28181 posts
Posted on 5/21/26 at 9:10 am to
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Charging a fortune for life saving medicine.


Got too. We're paying more so other countries can pay less, and because many of our own citizens dont pay anything at all.
Posted by wdhalgren
Member since May 2013
5331 posts
Posted on 5/21/26 at 9:19 am to
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And you're an economic retard.


Most people have a very narrow view of economics. If it's good for me, it's good economics. That's why socialism is such a slippery slope; convince more and more people that the role of govt is to be their benefactor, their support system, and they will willingly vote an entire country into financial oblivion.

85 years ago, John Maynard Keynes gave us a scientific sounding framework for reckless govt spending. He basically said government deficits are good for the economy; we'll pay it back later. Since that time our country has never had a truly serious conversation about debt and limits on government power.
This post was edited on 5/21/26 at 10:02 am
Posted by TulsaSooner78
Member since Aug 2025
3021 posts
Posted on 5/21/26 at 9:22 am to
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Difference between a unionist and communist?


A communist believes that:

- The state owns and controls all property, means of production, and delivery of services
- Everyone is assigned a job in line with their natural talent, for example, being a doctor, engineer or a janitor.
- Everyone is provided for equally by the state regardless of their job or relative contribution to society.

A unionist believes labor deserves a larger share of corporate profits, safer working conditions, and better benefits than they currently have.

Note: I have never belonged to a union, but I have worked in an environment where labor and clerical were unionized.
Posted by theballguy
HSV (Dealing only in satire)
Member since Oct 2011
37365 posts
Posted on 5/21/26 at 9:25 am to
I'm 50/50 on em.

Sure you have the right to unionize if you feel your value is not being rewarded properly.

But you don't have the right to tank someone's business. There have been instances where the company has said, well, based on what you're demanding, we're just going to sell and get out. We'll take our millions while you self-entitled can be unemployed with zero.

So, I would say proceed with caution. If you believe you're undervalued, you better be right.

Posted by TygerTyger
Houston
Member since Oct 2010
11145 posts
Posted on 5/21/26 at 9:27 am to
Unions were necessary back during the beginning of the industrial revolution. But they served their purpose and then became corrupt and are now a cancer.

They should be dissolved, or completely prohibited from any political involvement.
Posted by theballguy
HSV (Dealing only in satire)
Member since Oct 2011
37365 posts
Posted on 5/21/26 at 9:29 am to
This. Today they should really be for very specialized labor in companies where it's easy for the company to stiff the worker. There are not many situations like this anymore. I only know of one such instance and even then their workers are unionized and are very well taken care of for what they do.
Posted by UtahCajun
Member since Jul 2021
5862 posts
Posted on 5/21/26 at 9:31 am to
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Difference between a unionist and communist?


One sprang from the other
Posted by TulsaSooner78
Member since Aug 2025
3021 posts
Posted on 5/21/26 at 9:32 am to
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Sure you have the right to unionize if you feel your value is not being rewarded properly.

But you don't have the right to tank someone's business. There have been instances where the company has said, well, based on what you're demanding, we're just going to sell and get out. We'll take our millions while you self-entitled can be unemployed with zero.

So, I would say proceed with caution. If you believe you're undervalued, you better be right.


I worked for Lucent Technologies, the remnants of which are now owned by Nokia. Most of the US-based employees were let go (including me after 38 years), in part because management agreed to some really bad contracts with our unions.

Example: the management of our Oklahoma City factory agreed to fully paid FMLA for 6 months. So, guess what all the union members did? They took off for 6 months of paid vacation. I found it hard to blame the union members for that. They asked for it, and management agreed to it.

But, it ultimately led to the factory being shut down and the production moved to Mexico.
Posted by theballguy
HSV (Dealing only in satire)
Member since Oct 2011
37365 posts
Posted on 5/21/26 at 9:51 am to
I had an acquaintance who got a job there in the early 2000's. He told me how cush it was and the pay and benefits were ridiculously good for what he was doing.

I think he was there for about 10 years or so and then lost his job.

He's working at a rent-to-own store now making a third of what he used to and bitches about it constantly.
Posted by wdhalgren
Member since May 2013
5331 posts
Posted on 5/21/26 at 9:52 am to
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A unionist believes labor deserves a larger share of corporate profits, safer working conditions, and better benefits than they currently have.


A unionist can believe all of those things, collectively negotiate, etc., but when they ask the government to intercede, aka use force, on their behalf, they've crossed the line to socialism/communism. When the govt can tell the owner of a business they have to pay higher salaries, benefits, etc., the govt controls the business. When the govt decides who the business owner can hire and fire, the govt controls the business. When the government can tell a property owner how much they can charge for rent, the government controls the property.

After that, we're just quibbliing over details about which pieces and parts of private possession the govt needs to redistribute.
This post was edited on 5/21/26 at 9:59 am
Posted by BuckI
Grove City, Ohio
Member since Oct 2020
7252 posts
Posted on 5/21/26 at 10:37 am to
Corporations hide behind the government all the time. They have called for the government to violently put down peaceful strikes. Receive protection from the government when they cause harm to communities. Fought wars in the interest of banks and corporations.
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