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Posted on 12/17/13 at 8:31 am to los angeles tiger
I thought we were discussing "debilitating intestinal cramps"? "Upset stomach"?
It's common sense that anal sex can cause damage to the immediate area. That doesn't in way prove your point. And if he was simply describing occasional constipation, he should tone down the embellishment substantially
It's common sense that anal sex can cause damage to the immediate area. That doesn't in way prove your point. And if he was simply describing occasional constipation, he should tone down the embellishment substantially
This post was edited on 12/17/13 at 8:35 am
Posted on 12/17/13 at 8:33 am to StreamsOfWhiskey
Voice of someone too manly to have read the discussion before speaking, no doubt 
Posted on 12/17/13 at 8:38 am to goldennugget
quote:
This is true but as a Christian there is a fine line when it comes to "embracing". It is irresponsible as a Christian to validate/accept/promote sinful behavior.
If you give acceptance to gay behavior it would be hypocritical for example not to accept/tolerate someone who robs banks.
I agree with this train of thought, but what seems lost on most people is that we should have the same intolerance for "heterosexuality" practiced outside the bonds of marriage, but rarely do you see that expressed by our more vehement "Christians."
Posted on 12/17/13 at 8:45 am to los angeles tiger
You link a book "how to prevent constipation in children and adults" re anal sex causing constipation? Got news for you, if you're having sex with children, constipation is the least of the problems you're causing.
Posted on 12/17/13 at 8:47 am to Joshjrn
quote:doubtful these knuckledraggers know what epigenetic means.
If it turns out to be epigenetic instead of genetic, how does that alter the assertion that being gay isn't a choice?
This post was edited on 12/17/13 at 9:23 am
Posted on 12/17/13 at 9:13 am to Vegas Bengal
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doubtful these knuckledraggers know what epigenetic tic means.
An involuntary sudden repetitive movement caused by transcriptional factors?
It doesn't make a difference whether there is a genetic or epigenetic predisposition to homosexual attraction. People are prone to different sins. Some of them like alcoholism, gambling, and violence for example have genetic component. But behavior is still a person's responsibility. Even desires an thoughts can be changed.
Posted on 12/17/13 at 9:21 am to Qwerty
The problem with your theory is that love is not a sin. Your hate is a sin because your hate causes harm to others and yourself. But, for instance, Ellen's love for Portia causes no harm to anyone. In fact quite the opposite.
You see, if God gave his children the capacity to fall in love and if his children did so, he sent them to ever lasting damnation, what kind of father would he be? Not the kind of father I'd want to spend eternity with.
So let's agree to disagree. You can believe that I'm going to spend eternity in Hell for loving a man. And I'll believe you'll spend eternity in Hell for hating me.
J/K. You would only spend eternity in Hell if my God was as stupid as your God. Fortunately for you, my God sees past the hate in your heart so you're good. Wrong but good.
You see, if God gave his children the capacity to fall in love and if his children did so, he sent them to ever lasting damnation, what kind of father would he be? Not the kind of father I'd want to spend eternity with.
So let's agree to disagree. You can believe that I'm going to spend eternity in Hell for loving a man. And I'll believe you'll spend eternity in Hell for hating me.
J/K. You would only spend eternity in Hell if my God was as stupid as your God. Fortunately for you, my God sees past the hate in your heart so you're good. Wrong but good.
This post was edited on 12/17/13 at 9:23 am
Posted on 12/17/13 at 11:14 am to Vegas Bengal
I'm not sure where you get the idea that I hate you. I don't recall any hateful comments, and you don't know me personally. And of course I don't know you. I'm merely repeating the revealed will of God. You can think that's not fair, but such is story of every man since Adam. We think we have a better definition of right and wrong than God does - one that fits our desires.
Posted on 12/17/13 at 11:46 am to Vegas Bengal
quote:
Ellen's love for Portia causes no harm to anyone
as usual, you really have no idea of WTF it is you're talking about. But hey, it really sounds good to say that LOVE makes everything else alright. Too bad it doesn't.
Posted on 12/17/13 at 11:48 am to Joshjrn
You said gastro-intestinal issues and yes, if you would go beyond what I linked you will find some sites where people have discussed debilitating cramps following anal intercourse.
If it is common sense, as you just stated, that anal sex causes the damage that it does, then why do you chastise the ex-gay for being so and the gastro-intestinal issues were actually due to his "guilt from his religion."
You should tone down your evaluations of other peoples "state of mind" and what you think are the "real reasons" when you no proof of that while at the same time chastising me.
Do you think it would be wise to tell people it is safe to play in sewer systems? Hell, in some California cities you no longer can smoke a cigarette in your own condo because of the "health concerns of cigarette smoke" yet we have the state health boards that are been politicized endorsing ways to have safe anal sex.
If it is common sense, as you just stated, that anal sex causes the damage that it does, then why do you chastise the ex-gay for being so and the gastro-intestinal issues were actually due to his "guilt from his religion."
You should tone down your evaluations of other peoples "state of mind" and what you think are the "real reasons" when you no proof of that while at the same time chastising me.
Do you think it would be wise to tell people it is safe to play in sewer systems? Hell, in some California cities you no longer can smoke a cigarette in your own condo because of the "health concerns of cigarette smoke" yet we have the state health boards that are been politicized endorsing ways to have safe anal sex.
Posted on 12/17/13 at 11:51 am to Vegas Bengal
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You can believe that I'm going to spend eternity in Hell for loving a man.
I don't think you'll spend eternity in hell for that, I do think that's gross tho
Posted on 12/17/13 at 11:57 am to StreamsOfWhiskey
quote:
I agree with this train of thought, but what seems lost on most people is that we should have the same intolerance for "heterosexuality" practiced outside the bonds of marriage, but rarely do you see that expressed by our more vehement "Christians."
They have expressed it but that was years ago when society was less enlightened. The days when adultery was taboo and it meant you would pay a price for violating those wedding vows. The left then did as it has now. It made those Christians out to be heartless, hateful people that didn't understand or care for you. It also made them out to be "old-fashioned" for thinking they should not be able to leave their marriages at a whim. It was the left that pushed for the tolerance and called Christians names then so don't bash the Christians now while pretending the Christians are the ones that promoted that tolerance of adultery and sex outside of marriage (shacking up).
Posted on 12/17/13 at 12:07 pm to KeyserSoze999
Our society has confused the love and sex. Love is not sex and sex is not love. If it is love, as the left claims it is, then why do they get all aghast when anyone mentions pedophillia, incest or bestiallity. They use words to fit their agenda and when it doesn't fit their agenda, they then accuse you of being horrible for even asking what is obvious.
The same people, like Vegas, supports the state laws that will make it a living hell for anyone that doesn't want to bake a cake for a gay wedding . I find that to be pretty hateful of him and those that want to punish people like the bakers, florists, photographers because they are Christians that do not believe as they do. It's a frightening hatefulness displayed by them and they don't even acknowledge it.
The same people, like Vegas, supports the state laws that will make it a living hell for anyone that doesn't want to bake a cake for a gay wedding . I find that to be pretty hateful of him and those that want to punish people like the bakers, florists, photographers because they are Christians that do not believe as they do. It's a frightening hatefulness displayed by them and they don't even acknowledge it.
Posted on 12/17/13 at 12:17 pm to los angeles tiger
This makes no sense. You speak in circles.
Let me ask you, years ago you posted a picture of yourself and two other men shouting at Latino protestors. You were having you own anti-protest. What's interesting was one of the men in the photo you identified as your SO. He was Latino. Did you love him or was it just sex? If you loved him were you sinning? Do you believe you face everlasting damnation because you once loved another man? Will your God send any man who loves another man and commits to him to Hell?
Let me ask you, years ago you posted a picture of yourself and two other men shouting at Latino protestors. You were having you own anti-protest. What's interesting was one of the men in the photo you identified as your SO. He was Latino. Did you love him or was it just sex? If you loved him were you sinning? Do you believe you face everlasting damnation because you once loved another man? Will your God send any man who loves another man and commits to him to Hell?
Posted on 12/17/13 at 12:20 pm to Vols&Shaft83
quote:thanks and ditto for you as well.
don't think you'll spend eternity in hell for that, I do think that's gross tho
Posted on 12/17/13 at 1:51 pm to Vegas Bengal
First off, you are not being truthful or have conviently forgotten because it suits your purposes.
Why don't you hold your side to some sort of standard first. It is the left that has given us the bumper sticker mantras of ultra stupidity such as "A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle." Very sexist, but it is okay because it was for the lefts agenda. At the same time they cried out about the importance of women and what they bring to men. I agree. Now though, the only place they don't speak out for women being harmed by men it is by those "bisexuals" that infect the wives from the STD's they got at the bathhouse. Hey, that marriage license that is so important when it is for an agenda like gay marriage is not of importance at all when a woman has been infected because the promotion of lgBTQQIIAA rights is what brings the left power and protecting people isn't what they are actually interested in. If they were, then why don't you call for heavy regulation of sex clubs, bars, etc and check to make sure people aren't violating those government sanctioned "contracts" called marriage licenses. Oh, that's because you don't really care about marriage. You only care about power.
The intentional leaving out of bisexual at the convenience of your agenda is noticed by some. There's a ministry at some churches that helps the wives and families that those bisexual men have harmed with giving their unsuspecting mother HIV. Of course, the left protects "privacy" for the bathhouses and gay establishments but if you refuse to bake a cake for a gay wedding, then those first amendment rights as well as the "private aspect that aren't private when you go to court to sue someone for not accepting your so called private behavior" is the bullshite that you are Vegas. You always use what fits your agenda and never, ever vary from it because you don't give a damn about anyone else how you claim you do. You only care about the agenda being fulfilled.
Now why don't you question Gene Robinson for violating the very vows that he promised when he married his wife? You would if he were straight but you don't because he's "gay."
Parents love their children. Hell, I love my sister more than anyone else in my lifetime. According to your use of "loving relationship" that means it should be sexual since I love her so much. But you and your side would say it is "sinful" because it fits your agenda at the current moment. Down the road, you and people like you will encourage it.
You are an arrogan, self-centered arse that has called me horrible names so don't act so righteous with me.
One more thing. People like you in the 1970's said marriage is an outdated institution that enslaves women to men and needs to be done away with because it cause great harm to so many. Scroll forward, it is now a "right" of great importance that is more important than any actual rights that are found in the Constitution.
The left is consistent. Consistent in accusing those that oppose you with names and cleverly using language to make it sound good to play on emotion. Unborn babies are mere fetuses to you when it comes to killing them. That's how your side treats the most vulnerable by denying that they are developing human lives. You insist that they aren't humans but just a "clump of cells" and you insist that fetus must be used, not baby.
You are still just a "clump of cells" even outside of the womb but if it is your life that is thrown aside in this utopia that you think will be so wonderful, remember that you wanted that utopia. Those wonderful utopias of fantasy that the left so wants are what gave us the atrocities of the 20th century.
Why don't you hold your side to some sort of standard first. It is the left that has given us the bumper sticker mantras of ultra stupidity such as "A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle." Very sexist, but it is okay because it was for the lefts agenda. At the same time they cried out about the importance of women and what they bring to men. I agree. Now though, the only place they don't speak out for women being harmed by men it is by those "bisexuals" that infect the wives from the STD's they got at the bathhouse. Hey, that marriage license that is so important when it is for an agenda like gay marriage is not of importance at all when a woman has been infected because the promotion of lgBTQQIIAA rights is what brings the left power and protecting people isn't what they are actually interested in. If they were, then why don't you call for heavy regulation of sex clubs, bars, etc and check to make sure people aren't violating those government sanctioned "contracts" called marriage licenses. Oh, that's because you don't really care about marriage. You only care about power.
The intentional leaving out of bisexual at the convenience of your agenda is noticed by some. There's a ministry at some churches that helps the wives and families that those bisexual men have harmed with giving their unsuspecting mother HIV. Of course, the left protects "privacy" for the bathhouses and gay establishments but if you refuse to bake a cake for a gay wedding, then those first amendment rights as well as the "private aspect that aren't private when you go to court to sue someone for not accepting your so called private behavior" is the bullshite that you are Vegas. You always use what fits your agenda and never, ever vary from it because you don't give a damn about anyone else how you claim you do. You only care about the agenda being fulfilled.
Now why don't you question Gene Robinson for violating the very vows that he promised when he married his wife? You would if he were straight but you don't because he's "gay."
Parents love their children. Hell, I love my sister more than anyone else in my lifetime. According to your use of "loving relationship" that means it should be sexual since I love her so much. But you and your side would say it is "sinful" because it fits your agenda at the current moment. Down the road, you and people like you will encourage it.
You are an arrogan, self-centered arse that has called me horrible names so don't act so righteous with me.
One more thing. People like you in the 1970's said marriage is an outdated institution that enslaves women to men and needs to be done away with because it cause great harm to so many. Scroll forward, it is now a "right" of great importance that is more important than any actual rights that are found in the Constitution.
The left is consistent. Consistent in accusing those that oppose you with names and cleverly using language to make it sound good to play on emotion. Unborn babies are mere fetuses to you when it comes to killing them. That's how your side treats the most vulnerable by denying that they are developing human lives. You insist that they aren't humans but just a "clump of cells" and you insist that fetus must be used, not baby.
You are still just a "clump of cells" even outside of the womb but if it is your life that is thrown aside in this utopia that you think will be so wonderful, remember that you wanted that utopia. Those wonderful utopias of fantasy that the left so wants are what gave us the atrocities of the 20th century.
This post was edited on 12/17/13 at 2:12 pm
Posted on 12/17/13 at 3:07 pm to Vegas Bengal
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You can believe that I'm going to spend eternity in Hell for loving a man
Thats where you mess up. In your mind, you choose to redefine the issue
You are correct, we are expected to love one another. Where you miss the boat is the sex. It is designed for reproduction, yet you use it for personal gratification. So the punishment you speak of, is not for the love, but for the rebellion.
Lucifer rebelled and was punished
Jonah rebelled and was punished
Lots wife rebelled and was punished
Moses rebelled and was punished
When you choose personal desire over purpose, it is rebellion, and you will be punished. In the case of gay sex, its an abomination. Requires severe punishment. Not because I say so, but because the one who makes the rules says so.
We are punished or rewarded based on our choices, regardless of whether you were born that way. Besides, Jesus tells us that we all must be born again if we want to have everlasting life. So being born a certain way, is not an acceptable excuse
Posted on 12/17/13 at 3:54 pm to League Champs
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It is designed for reproduction
quote:
When you choose personal desire over purpose, it is rebellion, and you will be punished. In the case of gay sex, its an abomination
By these standards, I'd wager to say that 90+ percent of the HETEROSEXUAL acts that occur worldwide are equally abominable as gay sex (which is a tremendously fortunate thing- otherwise, there'd be no more dang room!). Yet somehow, it's only gay sex that is deemed as such. It's only homosexuals who should be punished, have made a "choice" to rebel, etc... Heterosexual "sinners" get a pass most of the time. Or, if not a complete pass (say, in the case of premarital sex or extramarital sex which are predominantly regarded as bad behavior), they are perhaps looked down upon for a little while by society at large, but then all is forgotten. Heck- post scandal, they can even run for the Senate on a holier-than-thou morality platform (coughVittercough). Apparently, many seem to know of a sliding scale of abominations- anyone care to cite a source for this critical text?
Posted on 12/17/13 at 4:28 pm to sacredcow
I dont make the rules, just try my darndest to live by them
Each person has their own set of challenges. Heck, who would have thought that simply striking a rock with his staff would keep Moses from the land he was promised, after all he had gone through? Certainly Moses didnt.
But it did
Each person has their own set of challenges. Heck, who would have thought that simply striking a rock with his staff would keep Moses from the land he was promised, after all he had gone through? Certainly Moses didnt.
But it did
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