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re: Did Confederate soldiers get veterans benefits?
Posted on 8/20/17 at 6:23 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
Posted on 8/20/17 at 6:23 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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They're still traitors.
Says who? You?
Your opinions are just your opinion, man.
And in any event, it's totally irrelevant what some dude from Ohio thinks about soldiers from the South who fought for their independence from 1861 to 1865.
You know what? I've always thought that the Normans at Hastings were dirty and illegal invaders! Guess what my opinion means on that issue. Nothing.
This post was edited on 8/20/17 at 6:25 pm
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Posted on 8/20/17 at 6:26 pm to Champagne
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Says who? You?
Yes, and many others. Historical negationism doesn't change it.
Posted on 8/20/17 at 6:34 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Yes, and many others. Historical negationism doesn't change it.
Yep and many others will have an opposite opinion. So what?
There are arguments on both sides of this issue.
Anybody who fought in the Confederate States Army did not give a damn for the United States of America or the Union Armed Forces. The CSA folks had a NEW nation to fight for and be proud of and the OLD one be damned. So, I guess you could say that were proud to be traitors to the USA.
It was an incredible time in US history and it's remarkable how much emotion is still tied up in the interpretation of those years. It's some of the most interesting history in all the world.
But I really find it amusing that you and Walt are so emphatic about repeating over and over around here how much you hate those traitors from the Confederate States of America and I am quite sure that they would have no love for you. Why should they?
This post was edited on 8/20/17 at 6:36 pm
Posted on 8/20/17 at 6:35 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
Posted on 8/20/17 at 6:41 pm to Champagne
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Yep and many others will have an opposite opinion. So what?
There are arguments on both sides of this issue.
Good for them. They meet the requirements of traitors. I'll call them traitors.
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Anybody who fought in the Confederate States Army did not give a damn for the United States of America or the Union Armed Forces. The CSA folks had a NEW nation to fight for and be proud of and the OLD one be damned. So, I guess you could say that were proud to be traitors to the USA.
They sure as frick had no problems sticking around in a country they didn't give a damn about after they lost.
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remarkable how much emotion is still tied up
Indeed.
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But I really find it amusing that you and Walt are so emphatic about repeating over and over around here how much you hate those traitors from the Confederate States of America and I am quite sure that they would have no love for you.
Hate? No, I have very little emotional connection to this topic. Link to one single instance of me saying I hate any of them. Just one, and I'll admit I'm wrong.
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Why should they?
They shouldn't, and I don't know why they would. I'm just fine with that sentiment, especially being just your opinion.
Posted on 8/20/17 at 6:43 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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I have very little emotional connection to this topic. Link to one single instance of me saying I hate any of them. Just one, and I'll admit I'm wrong.
Then frick off, we do.
Posted on 8/20/17 at 6:47 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Hate? No, I have very little emotional connection to this topic. Link to one single instance of me saying I hate any of them. Just one, and I'll admit I'm wrong.
OK, fair enough. No hate.
As my final input on this issue today, I do encourage all who are interested in this topic to consider this post war poem. There's a lot of hate in it. Anybody who reads and understands this poem would certainly be tempted to call the author a Traitor to the USA. I've read it and I would have difficulty defending the poem as anything but pretty darn close to traitorous language. That's why I say it looks to me like these ole boys were proud to have been traitors against the USA.
I'm a Good Ole Rebel
Oh, I'm a good old rebel,
Now that's just what I am,
And for this yankee nation,
I do not give a damn.
I'm glad I fought against her,
I only wish we won.
I ain't asked for pardon for anything I've done.
I hates the yankee nation and everything they do.
I hates the declaration of independence, too.
I hates the glorious union, t'is dripping with our blood.
I hates the striped banner, and fit it all I could.
I hates the Constitution, this "Great Republic," too!
I hates the Freedman's Bureau and uniforms of blue!
I hates the nasty eagle with all its brags and fuss,
And the lying, thieving Yankees, I hates 'em wuss and wuss!
I rode with Robert E. Lee,
For three years, thereabout.
Got wounded in four places,
And I starved at Point Lookout.
I catched the rheumatism
A campin' in the snow.
But I killed a chance of Yankees
And I'd like to kill some more.
This post was edited on 8/20/17 at 6:50 pm
Posted on 8/20/17 at 6:56 pm to SouthernHog
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Then frick off, we do.
I'd say that is mostly irrational.
Posted on 8/20/17 at 6:57 pm to Champagne
Posted on 8/20/17 at 7:30 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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quote: I think calling them all "traitors" is a bit extreme. I don't. You can assign any severity you like, but that's what they were.
If California secedes, will Californians be traitors?
Posted on 8/20/17 at 7:42 pm to Topcat
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If California secedes, will Californians be traitors?
Depends.
Posted on 8/20/17 at 8:51 pm to dewster
Take a ride thru southern Ohio. More confederate flags in Lawrence and Scioto county than the entire South! 
Posted on 8/20/17 at 8:55 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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If California secedes, will Californians be traitors?
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Depends.
For the love of god, please expand on your answer.
Posted on 8/20/17 at 9:18 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
They were defending them homeland from northern invaders. 95% of the Confederate soldiers didn't own slaves and most of them were poor. In their eyes, they weren't worried about the political side of the war. They were simply defending their hometowns and families.
Posted on 8/21/17 at 2:31 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
Incorrectly
Posted on 8/21/17 at 2:34 pm to The Pirate King
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Then going by your metric, our founding fathers and all of the men who fought Britain were all traitors for the revolutionary war.
Of course they were.
They just happened to have won, but they were absolutely traitors.
Posted on 8/21/17 at 2:38 pm to Sancho Panza
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Incorrectly
I literally took that straight from two defined sources. Take it up with them.
Posted on 8/21/17 at 2:39 pm to upgrayedd
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I found a governmemt headstone request on ancestry for my great great great grandfather. He was part of an Alabama cavalry unit during the war so I guess they had some sort of status. I'll see if I can dig it up.
Found it.
Whoever said something about the pointed headstones was correct as well.
This post was edited on 8/21/17 at 2:48 pm
Posted on 8/21/17 at 2:40 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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They were traitors
Posted on 8/21/17 at 2:43 pm to highcotton2
States issued or recognized pension rights but not the feds
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