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re: DeSantis: Trump failed on immigration, Fauci, controlling FBI/DHS, and crime
Posted on 5/27/23 at 4:01 pm to Flats
Posted on 5/27/23 at 4:01 pm to Flats
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He's talking about policy. Should he be making fun of Trump's hair or his infidelity?
Sorry, no. Unless there a different pandemic of another covid virus, I’m referring to the exact same covid response for which Trump criticized Desantis, inciting lots of angst and outrage……which it now seems you suggest is a-ok going in the opposite direction, from Desantis to Trump. Where’s the outrage??
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Posted on 5/27/23 at 4:20 pm to Flats
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That's a pointless statement without context. I
I literally Linked 31 pages of his executive orders. You can hate me and call me a cultist. I posted orders signed by Ron.
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area. I think it's more accurate to say he gave local government the power to shut things down, and people who elect shitheads got to deal with shithead policies. We went on with life where I live.
This is fair. And I like the guy. I will gladly vote for either him or trump. But don’t pretend he didn’t make mistakes too.
This post was edited on 5/27/23 at 4:21 pm
Posted on 5/27/23 at 4:23 pm to davyjones
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Where’s the outrage??
Just do we’re clear, you think the “outrage” was about the topic of Covid, and the accuracy of the claims isn’t a factor?
Posted on 5/27/23 at 4:25 pm to Jon Ham
Problem with all of this is that the GOP itself was enabling all of this. They controlled both houses when Crossfire Hurricane started. And it was Sessions himself who handed the keys of the DOJ to Mueller and Weismann.
And this is Trump’s fault… how?
And this is Trump’s fault… how?
Posted on 5/27/23 at 4:28 pm to Flats
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and it was one of if not the least restrictive states in the SE in my area.
Key word AREA.
He are some VERY key words FROM DeSantis.
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DeSantis says Florida’s Monday reopening steps exclude Miami-Dade, Broward
That's Phase 1.
Why did DeSantis not afford them their freedoms and allow the Faucis of those areas to act how they saw fit?
More words:
quote:
DeSantis said President Donald Trump approved Florida’s plan, which discourages social settings of more than 10 people “in circumstances that do not readily allow for appropriate physical distancing.”
LINK
Posted on 5/27/23 at 4:30 pm to Kurt Eichenwald
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Problem with all of this is that the GOP itself was enabling all of this. They controlled both houses when Crossfire Hurricane started. And it was Sessions himself who handed the keys of the DOJ to Mueller and Weismann.
And this is Trump’s fault… how?
Yep.
Posted on 5/27/23 at 4:40 pm to Flats
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Just do we’re clear, you think the “outrage” was about the topic of Covid, and the accuracy of the claims isn’t a factor?
Well, I wouldn’t think outrage comes alongside agreement with the subject matter. Yeah, disagreement with the terms and accuracy of an opponent’s campaign ad is probably the most common basis for said outrage. In addition to, that is, the outrage over “attacking another Republican,” as a general matter, in this particular case.
And it probably need not be mentioned, but your conclusions as to accuracy of the piece are your opinion. Mine would obviously differ from yours on the same topic. And for the sake of fairness, another thing that shouldn’t need mentioning but probably does anyway - that concept does apply the other way around, i.e. my conclusions as to a Desantis attack on Trump are my opinion only and yours would also differ.
This post was edited on 5/27/23 at 4:42 pm
Posted on 5/27/23 at 4:45 pm to Jjdoc
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You know what he is known for. Served his purpose and was fired.
To be a RINO war hawk and write books trashing Trump? Yeah, great hire. Your NK spin angle is laughable.quote:That's the lamest non-answer yet. Trump hired him. Even Q-Berts were told to 'trust Sessions.'
Sessions was week.
quote:Yeah, and the feds police them. Unless of course they're Obama radicals, which he was.
States control their own elections.
Posted on 5/27/23 at 4:54 pm to blueboy
The feds do not “police” the states on elections anymore than they do on state law enforcement, state taxes, state roads, anything else “state”. Federal involvement (such as the federal judiciary) might come into play for any “regular” reason that they might do so in any of the other aforementioned aspects of state government.
Posted on 5/27/23 at 4:57 pm to Flats
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That's a pointless statement without context. I live here,
So you ignored his EOs. Fine. Doesn’t change that he issued the EOs.
Posted on 5/27/23 at 5:02 pm to Jon Ham
As if Bush light is going to do any better while being attacked from all sides.
He might start another war to boot.
He might start another war to boot.
This post was edited on 5/27/23 at 5:03 pm
Posted on 5/27/23 at 5:07 pm to Jon Ham
Desantis has one job and one job only… take out Trump.
If he gets what he’s after, the Democrats and deep state will tag team him like a chicken on a rotisserie.
If he gets what he’s after, the Democrats and deep state will tag team him like a chicken on a rotisserie.
Posted on 5/27/23 at 6:54 pm to BBONDS25
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But don’t pretend he didn’t make mistakes too.
When did I do that? Everybody made mistakes during covid.
Posted on 5/27/23 at 6:55 pm to Jon Ham
Absolutely nothing wrong with what he had to say here.
Posted on 5/27/23 at 6:57 pm to BBONDS25
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So you ignored his EOs. Fine. Doesn’t change that he issued the EOs.
He did what Trump did; allow local government to make their own determinations instead of a one-size-fits-all dumbass approach. I have repeatedly said that's something Trump got right. It's also something DeSantis got right.
Posted on 5/27/23 at 7:01 pm to davyjones
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Well, I wouldn’t think outrage comes alongside agreement with the subject matter. Yeah, disagreement with the terms and accuracy of an opponent’s campaign ad is probably the most common basis for said outrage.
You seem determined to refuse to delineate between an "attack" and criticizing a policy. That's fine, but others see a difference between "Trump sucks and he's a fascist" and "Trump shouldn't have offered amnesty". Yeah, you can put both of those in the "attack" category if you want to, but people capable of nuance see a distinct difference between those two statements.
Posted on 5/27/23 at 7:12 pm to Flats
There’s like three people here capable of denoting nuance properly. I’m one of them, and the other two aren’t here currently. So.. lol
So, I was using your post to make a general point, because it fit the bill. Even if you yourself don’t necessarily subscribe to the scenario I was describing. But make no mistake, it’s a completely accurate rendition of recent activity right here amongst us. Trump’s Desantis-Cuomo remarks, squarely within the category of covid related policy that as you’ve related is fair game for criticism. Debate as to accuracy of content and style and tone of the piece, that’s another thing altogether. However, the piece from Trump was the subject of much gnashing of teeth, and was decried as unacceptable attack on Desantis. Additionally that Trump shouldn’t be directing any attention at all towards Desantis and should instead focus exclusively on Biden - premises so flawed I dare not even dive into them.
So, I was using your post to make a general point, because it fit the bill. Even if you yourself don’t necessarily subscribe to the scenario I was describing. But make no mistake, it’s a completely accurate rendition of recent activity right here amongst us. Trump’s Desantis-Cuomo remarks, squarely within the category of covid related policy that as you’ve related is fair game for criticism. Debate as to accuracy of content and style and tone of the piece, that’s another thing altogether. However, the piece from Trump was the subject of much gnashing of teeth, and was decried as unacceptable attack on Desantis. Additionally that Trump shouldn’t be directing any attention at all towards Desantis and should instead focus exclusively on Biden - premises so flawed I dare not even dive into them.
Posted on 5/27/23 at 7:21 pm to davyjones
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Debate as to accuracy of content and style and tone of the piece, that’s another thing altogether.
Yeah, if you don't think accuracy or any of that matters then we're probably not going to see eye to eye. I can see why you'd support Trump, though.
- Ron is a sanctimonious copycat.
- Ron gave local mayors too much power during covid.
If you want to, you can put both of those in the "attack" bucket. I see some critical differences, to the extent that I don't think it's hypocritical to say that one of those is "acceptable" (whatever that means) and one isn't. You're trying to frame such a claim as hypocritical regardless of the content, tone or accuracy of the statements. It just doesn't work. For me, anyway. You do you.
Posted on 5/27/23 at 7:33 pm to Flats
How does the concept of disagreement on accuracy issues escape you to the extent it does? If you assert something is inaccurate, and in good faith I assert that you’re wrong in your assertion, what causes you to believe that your assertion is definitively correct? We operate within those parameters in probably every aspect of life. You’re aligning your position with the media’s “fact checking” of Trump, which I thought we were unanimously of the belief that that was a hysterical crock of shite. Basis being “who exactly is it that declares the officially sanctioned and approved “fact of the matter”.
There are indeed some things in life that are just irrefutable fact, for example the sun rising in the east and setting in the west, but if you’ll take note of anything claimed as fact, if it’s the subject of debate……then no one gets to claim theirs is more fact than everyone else’s. It’s known more as an “opinion”.
**And once more, I’m addressing events and comments from others denouncing Trump for “unacceptable attacks” on the subject of covid response. That’s is what’s hypocritical.
There are indeed some things in life that are just irrefutable fact, for example the sun rising in the east and setting in the west, but if you’ll take note of anything claimed as fact, if it’s the subject of debate……then no one gets to claim theirs is more fact than everyone else’s. It’s known more as an “opinion”.
**And once more, I’m addressing events and comments from others denouncing Trump for “unacceptable attacks” on the subject of covid response. That’s is what’s hypocritical.
This post was edited on 5/27/23 at 7:35 pm
Posted on 5/27/23 at 7:37 pm to davyjones
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You’re aligning your position with the media’s “fact checking” of Trump,
Nope. The media is largely full of shite when it comes to Trump.
Again, you'd do much better to attempt to present your own views rather than lie about what others believe.
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