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re: DeSantis takes away speech rights in America to protect
Posted on 4/28/23 at 11:27 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
Posted on 4/28/23 at 11:27 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
If you want to get super technical, “amendment” is a term of art used more during the drafting and negotiation phase. Revision is probably used a little more in reference to the final product. But ultimately the definitive terminology describing it is “new law.” Once signed by the Governor, you can’t go wrong with that description.
Posted on 4/28/23 at 11:43 pm to davyjones
There. Now we can be friends again.
Posted on 4/28/23 at 11:53 pm to davyjones
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But ultimately the definitive terminology describing it is “new law.” Once signed by the Governor, you can’t go wrong with that description.
You could call it a retread law, since they already did the same thing for Crist. Doesn’t make much sense to have it if you suspend it whenever you need to, but they didn’t ask me.
Posted on 4/29/23 at 12:46 am to Flats
I understand, but there’s no way around the fact that the day before Desantis literally signs this bill into law, that the day before he signs this mere “clarification” into effect, that particular day he by law must resign prior to the official act of filing to run for President (if he does choose to, of course) — but the day after? The day after, he no longer has to resign.
And whatever negative attention the above-described situation may produce in the days to come, if any, it could only have been made worse by this Republican legislator-author in his attempt to convince the public that the thing is a mere “clarification” and not some completely new rule under which to operate……the implication being that despite the fact that it directly affects the current Governor, who by all accounts has a very close and cooperative relationship the legislature, that it directly impacts(benefits) the Governor in some way or ways……it’s mere coincidence.
That might be the long form description of the matter, but true on its face I believe.
And whatever negative attention the above-described situation may produce in the days to come, if any, it could only have been made worse by this Republican legislator-author in his attempt to convince the public that the thing is a mere “clarification” and not some completely new rule under which to operate……the implication being that despite the fact that it directly affects the current Governor, who by all accounts has a very close and cooperative relationship the legislature, that it directly impacts(benefits) the Governor in some way or ways……it’s mere coincidence.
That might be the long form description of the matter, but true on its face I believe.
This post was edited on 4/29/23 at 1:23 am
Posted on 4/29/23 at 2:25 am to davyjones
You sound like a conspiracy theorist.
Posted on 4/29/23 at 2:50 am to efrad
You’re just not used to seeing fully spelled out responses and explanations in posts. I can’t help it and I won’t even try. I’m a dreaded long-poster. Long texter as well of course.
But I’m actually very, very low on the conspiracy theory scale. Much more of an Occamist. So I don’t think you’ve hit it with the conspiracy theorist thing. I think it’s simply a matter of you disagreeing with my opinions and have a funny way of putting it. It’s either that or two or three paragraph posts just aren’t your thing.
But I’m actually very, very low on the conspiracy theory scale. Much more of an Occamist. So I don’t think you’ve hit it with the conspiracy theorist thing. I think it’s simply a matter of you disagreeing with my opinions and have a funny way of putting it. It’s either that or two or three paragraph posts just aren’t your thing.
Posted on 4/29/23 at 7:29 am to efrad
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You sound like a conspiracy theorist.
He just doesn't understand the existing law and now has to dig in on this.
Posted on 4/29/23 at 7:52 am to DisplacedBuckeye
The attachment you submitted 4 or 5 posts above, what’s the very last line of that attachment say? The underlined portions are additions/revisions that are new additions and revisions. Hence the underlined parts are new law. Pardon, it’s new law once Desantis signs it into law.
Before the revisions/additions, the law said Desantis could not run for President and still hang on to the Governorship. After his signature, the law will have changed to allow for that. Why you’re digging in on that so fiercely, I don’t know. And little buddy you replied to there, I damn sure wouldn’t run with his take on it.
Before the revisions/additions, the law said Desantis could not run for President and still hang on to the Governorship. After his signature, the law will have changed to allow for that. Why you’re digging in on that so fiercely, I don’t know. And little buddy you replied to there, I damn sure wouldn’t run with his take on it.
Posted on 4/29/23 at 8:04 am to davyjones
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Hence the underlined parts are new law.
I wonder what the "new" statute will be.
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Before the revisions/additions, the law said Desantis could not run for President and still hang on to the Governorship.
No, it didn't.
99.012
99.061
103.021
103.101
The best anyone has been able to do so far is cite irrelevant federal law.
Maybe you can do better.
Posted on 4/29/23 at 8:24 am to DisplacedBuckeye
I mean, I’d like to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you’re just screwing around here, but at the same time, I’m not sold on that. It’s very difficult to discuss the matter when it appears that you don’t have even just a serviceable understanding of the legislative process and the terminology and know what it actually looks like on paper.
I’ve been clear that the underlined portions are “new law,” not whatever you’re getting at by arguing it’s not “a new law” on its own, garnering a brand new statute number. But if you want to try to take the semantics route, to get you there, be my guest.
You do see the difference between “new law” in the broader sense and “a new law” proper in the brand new statute sense right?
I’ve been clear that the underlined portions are “new law,” not whatever you’re getting at by arguing it’s not “a new law” on its own, garnering a brand new statute number. But if you want to try to take the semantics route, to get you there, be my guest.
You do see the difference between “new law” in the broader sense and “a new law” proper in the brand new statute sense right?
This post was edited on 4/29/23 at 8:26 am
Posted on 4/29/23 at 8:34 am to davyjones
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I mean, I’d like to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you’re just screwing around here, but at the same time, I’m not sold on that. It’s very difficult to discuss the matter when it appears that you don’t have even just a serviceable understanding of the legislative process and the terminology and know what it actually looks like on paper.
Yawn.
You still think this amendment was necessary. You think you know better than the dude who wrote not only that, but the original law. Speaking of not having a "serviceable understanding."
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I’ve been clear that the underlined portions are “new law,”
You have. You've also been wrong.
This is an amendment to modify existing law. Period. There's no arguing your way out of that.
Now, if you'd like to discuss how you're wrong on existing law, feel free to address any of the statutes I posted.
If you're as smart as you think you are, you'll decline.
Posted on 4/29/23 at 8:41 am to DisplacedBuckeye
Lol if it wasn’t necessary then why the hell did the guy go to the trouble in the first place??
I don’t think it’s a matter of me thinking I’m any particular level of “smart,” or anything along those lines. No, this is a matter of plain old common sense, nothing more, nothing less.
I don’t think it’s a matter of me thinking I’m any particular level of “smart,” or anything along those lines. No, this is a matter of plain old common sense, nothing more, nothing less.
This post was edited on 4/29/23 at 8:42 am
Posted on 4/29/23 at 8:46 am to davyjones
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Lol if it wasn’t necessary then why the hell did the guy go to the trouble in the first place??
Tell me you're new to politics without telling me.
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you'll decline
Wise choice.
Posted on 4/29/23 at 8:54 am to DisplacedBuckeye
I’m not the guy who believes that every single thing done during a legislative session results in a brand new statute, all its own, that that’s the only way to net new law. Changes and additions and revisions to existing law don’t create anything new.
Posted on 4/29/23 at 8:59 am to davyjones
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Changes and additions and revisions to existing law don’t create anything new.
You don't fricking say.
Posted on 4/29/23 at 9:01 am to Timeoday
You are in trouble now.
The Rontorean guard will beset you.
The Rontorean guard will beset you.
Posted on 4/29/23 at 9:15 am to DisplacedBuckeye
Listen if you want to be my friend like I know you do, you gotta get that head screwed on straight. I know we all have room for improvement, but c’mon man, this is a little extreme.
Posted on 4/29/23 at 9:23 am to davyjones
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but there’s no way around the fact
I don't see why one is needed. This was always going to happen, anybody who follows politics knew it was going to happen, and one of the reasons they knew it is because a precedent was already set.
It makes the legislature look silly IMO. Something they just want to hold over the head of any Dem governor who might get elected, because they're obviously not going to apply it to a Republican.
Posted on 4/29/23 at 9:48 am to Flats
The precedent you speak of is indeed a thing, I agree with that sentiment,, however precedent doesn’t control here and instead it’s statute that does.
In the case of Christ, that was the same carve out exemption that we see here. It was signed into law at the time, however a subsequent Governor was successful in his efforts to reinstate the original and nullify that exemption, i.e. back to the version that prohibits a run for any new office while keeping or staying in a current office. current office aka the “resign to run” act or law (same difference in this context).
Without this revision, Desantis would have no choice but to resign prior to qualifying for a Presidential run.
In the case of Christ, that was the same carve out exemption that we see here. It was signed into law at the time, however a subsequent Governor was successful in his efforts to reinstate the original and nullify that exemption, i.e. back to the version that prohibits a run for any new office while keeping or staying in a current office. current office aka the “resign to run” act or law (same difference in this context).
Without this revision, Desantis would have no choice but to resign prior to qualifying for a Presidential run.
This post was edited on 4/29/23 at 9:57 am
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