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Dershowitz says it was a clear attempt at a coup
Posted on 2/15/19 at 6:04 am
Posted on 2/15/19 at 6:04 am
From the lips of the ostracized devout Democratic lawyer.
I believe him
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Harvard Law professor Alan Dershowitz on Thursday said the Department of Justice’s discussions to employ the 25th Amendment to oust President Trump-- if true-- amounted to an attempted coup.
Dershowitz appeared on Fox News’ “Tucker Carlson Tonight,” to give his take on former FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe’s descriptions of Justice Department meetings where he said officials discussed ousting the president.
“If [McCabe’s comments are] true, it is clearly an attempt at a coup d’état,” Dershowitz said.
Evoking the 25th Amendment, Dershowitz added, would be a fundamental misuse of its original purpose. He said it was originally "about Woodrow Wilson having a stroke. It’s about a president being shot and not being able to perform his office."
Dershowitz said any justice official who discussed the 25th Amendment in the context of ousting the president "has committed a grievous offense against the Constitution."
I believe him
Posted on 2/15/19 at 6:06 am to Homesick Tiger
Should have public hangings over this.
This post was edited on 2/15/19 at 6:07 am
Posted on 2/15/19 at 6:12 am to pennypacker3
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Duh..
I've been around a long time and in knowing that Dershowitz was always the "go to" guy that the Dems looked to for legal advice all those years but now that Trump is prez and what AD has to say about legalese matters that back up Trump falls on deaf Democratic ears, well, that has to be the height of hypocrisy for their party.
Posted on 2/15/19 at 6:13 am to Homesick Tiger
It has become clear that there are elements of the government "Swamp" who deserve no less than to be dragged into the streets and hanged.
Posted on 2/15/19 at 6:30 am to Homesick Tiger
How’s this back in the news.
McCabe was just joshing around bra
McCabe was just joshing around bra
Posted on 2/15/19 at 6:31 am to Homesick Tiger
Yeah that has been apparent for a while now...
Posted on 2/15/19 at 6:32 am to GregMaddux
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McCabe was just joshing around bra
Just silly water cooler talk, right?
Posted on 2/15/19 at 6:38 am to stelly1025
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Yeah that has been apparent for a while now...
Not apparently enough. I've seen no indictments. You know of any?
Posted on 2/15/19 at 6:40 am to Homesick Tiger
I hope Bill Barr is mad as hell.
Posted on 2/15/19 at 6:41 am to Homesick Tiger
And yet nothing will happen. This country is too far gone.
Posted on 2/15/19 at 6:43 am to Homesick Tiger
He’s right.
I especially like the fact that Rosenstein had a plan to wear a wire to secretly record the President in hope of entrapping him.
We need to arrest, try, and execute some traitors.
I especially like the fact that Rosenstein had a plan to wear a wire to secretly record the President in hope of entrapping him.
We need to arrest, try, and execute some traitors.
Posted on 2/15/19 at 6:43 am to GregMaddux
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McCabe was just joshing around bra
Insert Johnny Ringo "foolin' about" gif here...
Posted on 2/15/19 at 6:45 am to oogabooga68
Must set examples or this will continue. There HAS to be retribution for those involved and with knowledge that did nothing. DEATH BY BONGO BONGO is the only option.
Posted on 2/15/19 at 7:08 am to oogabooga68
quote:
It has become clear that there are elements of the government "Swamp" who deserve no less than to be dragged into the streets and hanged.
Since you mentioned it...here's a nugget and how convenient
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The Senate on Thursday cleared legislation to make lynching a federal crime. The bill, introduced by Sens. Kamala Harris (D-Calif.), Cory Booker (D-N.J.) and Tim Scott (R-S.C.), makes lynching punishable as a hate crime. The bill previously passed the Senate in December, but it did not clear the then-GOP controlled House before the end of the 115th Congress. It passed on Thursday by a voice vote. Booker said that "lynching is not a relic of the past," pointing to the attack on "Empire" actor Jussie Smollett in Chicago. "Justice for the victims of lynching has been too long denied, and as we look forward we must collectively in this body make a strong, unequivocal statement," he added. Harris, speaking from the Senate floor, added that lynching is a part of the country's "uncomfortable history" that had never been "truly acknowledged" or "reconciled" with.
Lynching to be a federal crime
Posted on 2/15/19 at 7:45 am to Homesick Tiger
First, I want to say unequivocally that I do not believe Trump has beem “incapacitated” for purposes of the 25th at any point during nis term of office. Any attempt to misuse the 25th for entirely political purposes would have been entirely improper.
Second, Dershowitz’s statement about Woodrow Wilson was simply providing some context. From a Strict Construction perspective, the 25th is not limited to shootings or strokes or comas, etcetera. If a POTUS experiences a psychotic break and starts spending his days wandering the Rose Garden while clucking like a chicken and flapping his arms like wings, he is “incapacitated” to exactly the same extent as if he had experienced a stroke or a shooting. In that scenario, I would argue that his VP and Cabinet have an implicit DUTY to invoke the 25th.
Third, some people DID express some concern that Trump was mentally unbalanced, even if I disagree. If the VP and the Cabinet AGREED that he was mentally unstable and so-reported to Congress ... the 25th comes into play. POTUS would then declare that he is NOT incapacitated, and Congress must decide the matter. In other words, the drafters of the 25th ANTICIPATED that the 25th might be improperly invoked, and they provided a remedy.
Fourth, it would NOT be “treason” for federal officials to examine the options, if they observe irrational (and arguably psychotic) behavior in a POTUS ... especially if they determine that the 25th is NOT applicable. “Examining the options” does not give aid to America’s foreign enemies. Further, Dershowitz’s comments about “coup d’etat” were SPECIFICALLY and EXPLICITLY premised upon a “worst case scenario” (his words) in which the use of the 25th was motivated solely by political disagreement, as opposed to some physical or (implicitly) mental/emotional health “incapacity.”
Fifth, if McCabe’s story is true, he would seem to have been acting with improper motives, and it would have been entirely appropriate to remove him from office for having done so.
Second, Dershowitz’s statement about Woodrow Wilson was simply providing some context. From a Strict Construction perspective, the 25th is not limited to shootings or strokes or comas, etcetera. If a POTUS experiences a psychotic break and starts spending his days wandering the Rose Garden while clucking like a chicken and flapping his arms like wings, he is “incapacitated” to exactly the same extent as if he had experienced a stroke or a shooting. In that scenario, I would argue that his VP and Cabinet have an implicit DUTY to invoke the 25th.
Third, some people DID express some concern that Trump was mentally unbalanced, even if I disagree. If the VP and the Cabinet AGREED that he was mentally unstable and so-reported to Congress ... the 25th comes into play. POTUS would then declare that he is NOT incapacitated, and Congress must decide the matter. In other words, the drafters of the 25th ANTICIPATED that the 25th might be improperly invoked, and they provided a remedy.
Fourth, it would NOT be “treason” for federal officials to examine the options, if they observe irrational (and arguably psychotic) behavior in a POTUS ... especially if they determine that the 25th is NOT applicable. “Examining the options” does not give aid to America’s foreign enemies. Further, Dershowitz’s comments about “coup d’etat” were SPECIFICALLY and EXPLICITLY premised upon a “worst case scenario” (his words) in which the use of the 25th was motivated solely by political disagreement, as opposed to some physical or (implicitly) mental/emotional health “incapacity.”
Fifth, if McCabe’s story is true, he would seem to have been acting with improper motives, and it would have been entirely appropriate to remove him from office for having done so.
This post was edited on 2/15/19 at 7:49 am
Posted on 2/15/19 at 8:02 am to AggieHank86
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Fifth, if McCabe’s story is true, he would seem to have been acting with improper motives, and it would have been entirely appropriate to remove him from office for having done so.
Oh please. They’ve pondered every option possible to try and remove him from office. What evidence do we have that McCabe’s story is even close to true? None. Even after 2 hard years of investigation and 30+million dollars.
They were trying to do anything they could to get Trump out of office. There was no reason to seek the 25th amendment except massive vitriol from scorned swamp era used to getting stuff there way.
Posted on 2/15/19 at 8:02 am to AggieHank86
quote:Exactly. McCabe is the one that that said the plan was based on the fact that Trump fired Comey and might have colluded with Russia. He should have said he thought Trump was having a mental breakdown. He committed a major crime and is admitting it on national television.
Fourth, it would NOT be “treason” for federal officials to examine the options, if they observe irrational (and arguably psychotic) behavior in a POTUS ... especially if they determine that the 25th is NOT applicable. “Examining the options” does not give aid to America’s foreign enemies. Further, Dershowitz’s comments about “coup d’etat” were SPECIFICALLY and EXPLICITLY premised upon a “worst case scenario” (his words) in which the use of the 25th was motivated solely by political disagreement, as opposed to some physical or (implicitly) mental/emotional health “incapacity.” Fifth, if McCabe’s story is true, he would seem to have been acting with improper motives, and it would have been entirely appropriate to remove him from office for having done so.
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