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re: Derek Chauvin seriously injured in knife attack in prison

Posted on 11/26/23 at 1:38 pm to
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297396 posts
Posted on 11/26/23 at 1:38 pm to
quote:

Why arent you advocating for the jailing of Officer Dustin D


No one paid doctor to tell him to.


It was more egregious than the Floyd incident, and this shite has never heard of it.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
125556 posts
Posted on 11/26/23 at 1:39 pm to
Think that through really carefully. ABC got that medicinally significant detail completely wrong. That didn’t phase you at all.
Posted by TigerIn2023
Member since Apr 2023
308 posts
Posted on 11/26/23 at 1:40 pm to
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Isn’t this your argument in dismissing the testimony of the Medical Examiner?
No. It wasn’t.
Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2010
35072 posts
Posted on 11/26/23 at 1:40 pm to
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ABCnews got the subject of his book wrong! This guy wrote a book on mechanical ventilation thus all his other work as a world renowned expert in respiratory physiology and mechanical ventilation is discred


ABC didn’t get it wrong. You did. And you didn’t bother to check.

And he’s only world renowned because he testified in the trial of the century. Hmmm. Sounds like compelling motivation to bend your opinion towards the prosecution despite very flimsy evidence.
This post was edited on 11/26/23 at 1:42 pm
Posted by jackamo3300
New Orleans
Member since Apr 2004
2901 posts
Posted on 11/26/23 at 1:41 pm to
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And the jury ignored this and only considered the neck compression.


The jury did none of this. Why none of the excruciating medical details meant anything in this instance either pro or con.

The posters who've made a comparison between the O.J trial and this one are not off point.

It was a repeat of the O.J. travesty.

In the O.J. trial the verdict was known a year before the trial ended by those who live in reality.

One rendered strictly on the basis of solidarity and fear of consequences of rendering a guilty verdict for O.J. and later in fear of what would have happened had an innocent verdict been rendered for Chauvin, only in this case solidarity played no role within the thoroughly intimidated jury.

There must be a term for a justice system that is now ruled by threats and intimidation.

In the Federalist papers Hamilton called the federal judiciary the weakest of the branches.

How much weaker does it get down to the state level, especially with the very real problem of intimidated juries, which we'll continue to see more of as the Republic is allowed to slide further. We're presently being shown just how weak it is at the state level.
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
42296 posts
Posted on 11/26/23 at 1:45 pm to
ALL of the following is subjective.

quote:

That is until an attorney completely discredited him on cross examination. Then a rebuttal witness, a pulmonologist, critical care specialist, physiologist, and recognized expert in respiratory failure, was later called in to laugh that theory out of court.


So I was right, and you are a liar (which I was also right about).
Posted by TigerIn2023
Member since Apr 2023
308 posts
Posted on 11/26/23 at 1:48 pm to
Wait… are you actually arguing that treating breathing disorders does not include mechanical ventilation? Mechanical ventilation is a crucial aspect of treating various breathing disorders, especially in cases where a person’s natural ability to breathe is compromised or insufficient to maintain adequate oxygenation or ventilation.

The synopsis of that book states “The new edition is a cover-to-cover revision of the original content, filled with cutting-edge scientific insights from more than 200 contributors representing critical care, pulmonary medicine, anesthesiology, surgery, basic science, and radiology”.

How is this argument even remotely relevant to his testimony?
Posted by nwacajun
St louis
Member since Dec 2008
1648 posts
Posted on 11/26/23 at 2:04 pm to
And people wonder why police officers are leaving in droves.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
135710 posts
Posted on 11/26/23 at 2:04 pm to
quote:

who authored the bible on treating breathing disorders
Yikes

quote:

isn’t familiar with the fact that medical examiners check for those physical markers in cases where asphyxiation is a suspected cause of death?
It's a virtual certainty he was not. E.g., you'll not find a single reference to anything resembling traumatic markers in cases where asphyxiation is a suspected cause of death in either his books or his publications.
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Maybe reach out to him directly sweetheart.
No need. His publications speak for themselves.

Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
135710 posts
Posted on 11/26/23 at 2:12 pm to
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This statement disregards the vast expertise
Vast expertise in post-mortem analysis? Link?

Vast expertise in determining the amount (lbs/sqft) of force applied to the back of a 100kg male's neck required to atraumatically asphyxiate without eliminating vocalization? Link?
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
135710 posts
Posted on 11/26/23 at 2:16 pm to
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Mr. Floyd's use of fentanyl did not cause the subdual or neck restraint
Again, idiotic unscientific nonmedically based conjecture. By the way hotshot, that is not opinion. It is a simple fact.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
135710 posts
Posted on 11/26/23 at 2:19 pm to
quote:

you’re saying I should not believe these experts simply based on the fact that he is human and has the possibility (however remote) of being wrong?
NO!
He's saying the conclusion is not evidence based.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
135710 posts
Posted on 11/26/23 at 2:20 pm to
quote:

Wait… are you actually arguing that treating breathing disorders does not include mechanical ventilation?
What an idiot!
Posted by TigerIn2023
Member since Apr 2023
308 posts
Posted on 11/26/23 at 2:23 pm to
You believe the testimony of the medical examiner who performed the autopsy is idiotic unscientific nonmedically based conjecture? Because that’s whose opinion you’re arguing with. Not mine.

Maybe reach out to him directly sweetheart. I really doubt that he posts here.
Posted by TigerIn2023
Member since Apr 2023
308 posts
Posted on 11/26/23 at 2:26 pm to
Would you mind posting your vast expertise in forensic pathology, specifically regarding post-mortem toxicology?

I would love to know why I should take your opinion on the subject over that of this guy?

Thanks and I’ll hang up and listen.
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
42296 posts
Posted on 11/26/23 at 2:28 pm to
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Again, idiotic unscientific nonmedically based conjecture.


That poster is too invested in the narrative to apply logic and common sense. The lie is okay in their eyes, because lying isn’t wrong if it pushes the narrative.

I don’t know much about Chauvin.

He may be a horrible human for all that I know.

And even though I feel that he should have administered 1st aid until EMS arrived (and should be held responsible for not doing so), I also feel that the new information paints a picture of him being railroaded.

The paid shills in this thread can’t allow for free thought.

They were called out for their bs, and they have had their feelings hurt.

I’m not surprised.
This post was edited on 11/26/23 at 2:29 pm
Posted by TigerIn2023
Member since Apr 2023
308 posts
Posted on 11/26/23 at 2:30 pm to
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No need. His publications speak for themselves.


oof! So the past editor-in-chief of the American Journal of Respiratory and Critical Care Medicine isn’t considered an expert in the field.

I can not wait for you to post your own qualifications in comparison. This is going to be good.
Posted by MemphisGuy
Germantown, TN
Member since Nov 2023
13784 posts
Posted on 11/26/23 at 2:31 pm to
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sweetheart
I see you have replaced Ooopsie and Whoopsie with an equally as stupid saying.
Posted by TigerIn2023
Member since Apr 2023
308 posts
Posted on 11/26/23 at 2:32 pm to
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They were called out for their bs, and they have had their feelings hurt.


Weren’t you the user that got bent out of shape because I told you “whoopsies”?
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
135710 posts
Posted on 11/26/23 at 2:33 pm to
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You believe the testimony of the medical examiner who performed the autopsy is idiotic
I'll repeat, "Mr. Floyd's use of fentanyl did not cause the subdual or neck restraint" is absolutely idiotic! It is nonmedical and stupid.

If Floyd had not sucked down a rock of fentanyl, and was sober at the time rather than under psychotropic influence, it is extraordinarily likely he would have behaved differently during the encounter and not have required restraint at all.

The idiot's idiotic statement notwithstanding, those are the facts.
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