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re: Derek Chauvin seriously injured in knife attack in prison
Posted on 11/26/23 at 12:22 pm to the808bass
Posted on 11/26/23 at 12:22 pm to the808bass
Tigerin2023 and StewedMeat are the same poster.
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Posted on 11/26/23 at 12:27 pm to the808bass
Do you think the world-renowned pulmonologist, who authored the bible on treating breathing disorders isn’t familiar with the fact that medical examiners check for those physical markers in cases where asphyxiation is a suspected cause of death? Because that’s whose opinion you’re arguing with. Not mine.
Maybe reach out to him directly sweetheart. I really doubt that Dr. Martin Tobin posts here.
Maybe reach out to him directly sweetheart. I really doubt that Dr. Martin Tobin posts here.
Posted on 11/26/23 at 12:27 pm to Iron Lion
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Tigerin2023 and StewedMeat are the same poster.
Tigerin2023 is simply posing as a blithering idiot.
StewedMeat is posing as a racist blithering idiot.
Both versions are Google... copy... paste...
then be very proud of themselves...type of posters.
This post was edited on 11/26/23 at 12:28 pm
Posted on 11/26/23 at 12:31 pm to Robin Masters
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Type of guy that won’t question the media because the media hasn’t reported on lack of trustworthiness of the media.
My guess is hes a gay dude who thinks because hes gay, that he has to fall for all the progressive fairy tales.
Identity groups were a brilliant idea by leftists. Claim an identity and support all the issues.
This post was edited on 11/26/23 at 12:32 pm
Posted on 11/26/23 at 12:31 pm to Robin Masters
quote:This is a just form of “hasty generalization” or a “sweeping generalization” fallacy. When someone claims that doctors (or any group of professionals) are wrong all the time, it involves making an overly broad and unsubstantiated assertion based on isolated instances or personal beliefs rather than considering the overall expertise and track record of the profession.
Doctors are wrong all the time.
This statement disregards the vast expertise, training, and success of doctors in diagnosing and treating illnesses. While errors can occur in any profession, assuming that doctors are universally or consistently wrong without providing substantial evidence or context is an oversimplification and doesn’t reflect the reality of medical practice.
Posted on 11/26/23 at 12:35 pm to MemphisGuy
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Both versions are Google... copy... paste...
Yep.
Wonder if he can define female?
Posted on 11/26/23 at 12:37 pm to TigerIn2023
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Medical Examiner Andrew Baker testified that the way officers held Floyd down and compressed his neck while restraining him "was just more than Mr. Floyd could take," given the condition of his heart.
The “given the condition of his heart” is what stands out as the condition that identifies a weak, vulnerable person susceptible to death from things that would not kill a normal person.
Children who say “boo” on Halloween don’t typically kill people, just as medically approved law enforcement restraint techniques don’t kill normal people.
The cause of death is the circumstances that are outside the norm. The health of a vulnerable person can make them susceptible to death from things that do not kill people who make better health decisions.
Posted on 11/26/23 at 12:39 pm to TigerIn2023
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his is a just form of “hasty generalization” or a “sweeping generalization” fallacy.
It effectively discredits your assumption that an option is correct simply because a person is a doctor.
Doctors can be wrong. They are quite often. And they can be highly motivated by money and professional acclaim.
This isn’t a throwaway point. In fact it discredits your entire premise that your experts are correct simply because they are doctors. Now you know why appeal to authority is not an effective premise from which to argue.
Posted on 11/26/23 at 12:40 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Wonder if he can define female?
He can google it!
Posted on 11/26/23 at 12:40 pm to Willie Stroker
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The “given the condition of his heart” is what stands out as the condition that identifies a weak, vulnerable person susceptible to death from things that would not kill a normal person.
Its right in that dudes face. Its been pointed out to him and he refuses to acknowledge.
Posted on 11/26/23 at 12:42 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Wonder if he can define female?
*google* Nope... don't like that definition...
*bing* Nope.... don't like that definition...
*Yahoo* don't like that definition...
"Whoopsies, As I am not a doctor, I personally cannot define female".
Posted on 11/26/23 at 12:52 pm to Robin Masters
I just want to be 100% clear, you’re saying I should not believe this world-renowned pulmonologist at Loyola University Medical Center, who authored the bible on treating breathing disorders simply based on the fact that he is human and has the possibility (however remote) of being wrong? Not based on any actual evidence of anything he said actually being wrong, just based on some random social media user claiming it’s possible?
You really think that is some sort of rational argument?
You really think that is some sort of rational argument?
Posted on 11/26/23 at 12:54 pm to TigerIn2023
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"cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint and neck compression".
Cardiopulmonary arrest is the cause of death . It mentions that it occurred during a law enforcement technique. That does not mean the law enforcement technique is the cause. How do we know this?
During cross-examination, defense attorney Eric Nelson asked Baker whether Floyd's heart disease, history of hypertension and the drugs in his system played a role in his death.
"In my opinion, yes," Baker replied.
The law enforcement technique also played a role, but that doesn’t mean it was the cause.
No one (not even you based on your selective and misleading use of quotes) believes that cardiopulmonary arrest was not the cause of death.
Disagreement comes from the extent to which other factors (heart disease, history of hypertension, drugs, and a routine law enforcement restraining technique) played a role.
This post was edited on 11/26/23 at 12:57 pm
Posted on 11/26/23 at 12:58 pm to TigerIn2023
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You really think that is some sort of rational argument?
What was the cause of death?
Posted on 11/26/23 at 12:59 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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What was the cause of death?
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"The top line of the cause of death is really what you think is the most important thing that you think precipitated the death. Other things that you think played a role in the death but were not direct causes" appear in the "other significant conditions" part of the death certificate, Baker explained.
"Mr. Floyd's use of fentanyl did not cause the subdual or neck restraint, his heart disease did not cause the subdual or the neck restraint," Baker said. They were items that may have contributed to his death but were not the direct cause, he said.
Posted on 11/26/23 at 1:10 pm to TigerIn2023
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who authored the bible on treating breathing disorders
This didn’t happen. Are you lying or just incorrect?
Posted on 11/26/23 at 1:11 pm to Willie Stroker
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He died during an acceptable law enforcement technique (subdual, restraint, and neck compression). That doesn’t mean it was the cause of death.
The link below explains a lot about neck compression use by law enforcement. Although at the time of the Floyd incident neck restraint was technically allowed, Chauvin ignored the main condition upon which it's allowed: checking to see if the subdued person is OK and can breathe, or turning them on their side. Chauvin did neither, which left him criminally negligent in Floyd's death. It should also be said any kind of neck restraint or compression was banned by the Minneapolis PD immediately after Chauvin was charged.
LINK
Posted on 11/26/23 at 1:13 pm to gymnopedies13
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It should also be said any kind of neck restraint or compression was banned by the Minneapolis PD immediately after Chauvin was charged.
Yeah, typical kneejerk reaction and succumbing to the mob. I'm quite honestly shocked they simply didn't ban attempting to arrest criminals.
It STILL seems quite simple to me... don't resist arrest or attempt to escape and don't get your neck restrained or compressed, which could potentially lead to your demise because of your drug-altered state.
This post was edited on 11/26/23 at 1:15 pm
Posted on 11/26/23 at 1:18 pm to Robin Masters
quote:To be perfectly honest, I don’t care about what your opinion is on that.
This didn’t happen. Are you lying or just incorrect?
Perhaps reach out to ABCnews directly and tell them they are wrong.
Posted on 11/26/23 at 1:20 pm to TigerIn2023
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Not based on any actual evidence of anything he said actually being wrong,
No evidence except zero evidence of neck trauma and lethal amounts of drugs.
Lol.
At least you admit he can be wrong. Your appeal to authority is henceforth moot.
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